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< Looks like there’s a problem with this site https://chatgpt.com/?q=I%u2019m on page “Post: Edit” with “wyoh on June 14, 2019 | prev | next [2 more]%0A%0A%09%0Aalt_f4 on June 15, 2019 | prev | next [–]%0A%0Ayet another NYT anti-tech hit piece%0A%0A%09%0Aannadane on June 14, 2019 [flagged] | prev | next [19 more]%0A%0A%09%0Ailikehurdles on June 14, 2019 | prev | next [–]%0A%0AGoogle absolutely can do all of those things without an algorithm. What they can't do is accomplish that without impacting profit margins (or at the minimum, executive bonuses). "If it impacts business as usual, then it is impossible" is a naive/flawed/libertarian stance.%0A%0A%09%0Axondono on June 14, 2019 | parent | next [–]%0A%0AYou do realize that to cover current needs (400h uploaded every minute), YouTube would need to employ more than 72000 people working full time right?%0A%0A%09%0Aemmp on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | next [–]%0A%0AAnd these people would inevitably make some number of mistakes in categorization too, or miss something, or just be unable to quite hit some baseline universal standard that doesn't upset a group. Then YouTube still gets the bad press.%0A%0A%09%0Abjourne on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0ABut 99.9% of all videos uploaded never gets more than a few handfuls of views so those are irrelevant. Of the remaining 0.1%, you don't need to watch every second of every frame - speeding it through at twice the speed should be doable. So by your own calculations, 72 000 * 0.001 * 0.5 = 36 people working full time.%0A%0A%09%0Axondono on June 15, 2019 | root | parent | next [–]%0A%0AYou can set that 0.001 factor as big or as low as you like, but then we%u2019d get the same nytimes hit piece saying this is intentionally being done by humans.%0A%0A%09%0Athrowaway287391 on June 14, 2019 | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0AYou made me curious so I did some back-of-the-envelope math. An average of 576K hours of video is uploaded to YouTube every day [1], which is 4.032M hours per week. If the reviewers watch all the video at 1x speed and work 40 hours per week, you'd need about 100K reviewers to do the job. (This is just to watch the video -- not including any additional work done to annotate the video with whatever information you want out of your reviewers.) If each one costs $30K a year (probably a lowball estimate including salary, insurance, etc.) it would cost a total of $3B per year. YouTube makes $4B in revenue per year and roughly zero profit AFAICT, so there's no way this is feasible.%0A[1] https://www.quora.com/How-many-videos-are-uploaded-on-YouTub...%0A%0A%0A%09%0Ascarface74 on June 14, 2019 | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0AI%u2019m usually a proponent of the “wall garden” when it comes to applications and strict sandboxing for most users, since software can harm your computer.%0ABut in the case of YouTube, there is absolutely no way that they can curate it and it still being as open as it is.%0A%0A%0A%09%0Ailikehurdles on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | next [–]%0A%0AThere is no need to curate every video, only the ones qualified enough to be recommended/showcased to the public who is not explicily looking for them.%0A%0A%09%0Apatorjk on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | next [–]%0A%0ASay I watch a video on a topic like "nes video game speed running". Right now I'd see other nes video game speed running videos, it's very useful. In a curated world, what would be recommended? It's probably too much of a niche topic to yield results that would be very useful.%0A%0A%09%0Absder on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0A> But in the case of YouTube, there is absolutely no way that they can curate it and it still being as open as it is.%0ASo?%0A%0AIf YouTube exits the space and allows oxygen back into the video sharing market, we might actually get some different video sharing services that do different things (a la NicoNicoDouga).%0A%0A%0A%09%0Ascarface74 on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | next [–]%0A%0AVideo streaming, processing, and storage at scale still costs a lot of money. I don%u2019t think even Google is doing it profitably.%0A%0A%09%0Aphysics515 on June 14, 2019 | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0AYouTube does human curation already. They are refered to as "playlist" and every user has the ability to create and share them. So what you are asking for is Google to create their own playlist? Would this also entail removing that ability from other users?%0A%0A%09%0Aemilfihlman on June 15, 2019 | prev | next [–]%0A%0AI mean PewDiePie's info is rather public but what's with the need to "dox" him right in the beginning?%0A%0A%09%0A0815test on June 14, 2019 | prev | next [–]%0A%0AQuite true, but let's not pretend that Twittr, Tumbler and Fakebook aren't also "incenting" all sorts of distorted behaviors of their own! These sites are "algorithms" all the same, even if the workings of these algorithms are in some ways more transparent. We need open and widespread federation via technologies like Mastodon, Matrix and ActivityPub, so that if you don't like one "algorithm" you can easily switch to another that's more appropriate to your use case.%0A%0A%09%0Ankozyra on June 14, 2019 | parent | next [–]%0A%0A> We need open and widespread federation via technologies like Mastodon, Matrix and ActivityPub, so that if you don't like one "algorithm" you can easily switch to another that's more appropriate to your use case.%0AThis always sounds good, but decentralized is nearly impossible to commoditize or make appealing to the general public. Outside of evangelism and word-of-mouth, how are people going to escape the Youtube advertising budget and instead choose - en masse - the product that is better for their privacy?%0A%0AThere's just so much money and inertia to fight.%0A%0A%0A%09%0Aswiley on June 14, 2019 | root | parent | next [–]%0A%0AYouTube removing harmless content over copyright etc is one way.%0A%0A%09%0Aphreeza on June 14, 2019 | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0AIf the ranking algorithm is open for all to see, won't that encourage even worse gaming of the system? I am trying to think of comparable situations in existing open systems, but none come to mind.%0A%0A%09%0Athephyber on June 14, 2019 | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0A> We need open and widespread federation via technologies like Mastodon, Matrix and ActivityPub, so that if you don't like one "algorithm" you can easily switch to another%0AWe already have them, yet FB, IG, Twitter, YT are the social media behemoths.%0A%0AAre you making a plea for the average internet person to care about the values of the platforms they use over the platform content? You are likely preaching to the choir here on HN, but I would guess that the audience here is only 1% of 1% of the audience you need to message.%0A%0ACorps make good use of psychological experiments to optimize their utility function. "Evil is efficient." The problem is that companies optimize for money without taking into account any other factor in any significant way.%0A%0A> In 1970, Nobel Prize–winning economist Milton Friedman published an essay in The New York Times Magazine titled “The Social Responsibility of Business Is to Increase Its Profits.” [1]%0A%0AArguably this quote incentivized the destruction of "good corporate citizenship" (although I admit it's possible that concept never existed in a broad sense).%0A%0A[1] https://www.newsweek.com/2017/04/14/harvard-business-school-...%0A%0A### Summary of Discussion%0A%0A#### **Call for Federation**%0A%0A* Advocacy for open, federated platforms like Mastodon, Matrix, and ActivityPub.%0A* Goal: Let users easily switch platforms if they dislike one algorithm.%0A%0A#### **Current Reality**%0A%0A* Despite federation tech existing, centralized platforms (FB, IG, Twitter, YT) dominate.%0A%0A#### **Audience Concern**%0A%0A* Poster questions if the message is aimed at everyday users or just the tech-savvy.%0A* HN community is niche—far from the mass audience needed for change.%0A%0A#### **Corporate Incentives**%0A%0A* Corporations optimize for profit using psychological tactics.%0A* "Evil is efficient" — optimizing without ethical constraints works well.%0A%0A#### **Philosophical Note**%0A%0A* Reference to Milton Friedman%u2019s 1970 essay asserting profit as the sole responsibility of business.%0A* Implication: This mindset may have undermined ethical corporate behavior.%0A%0A%09%0Atqi on June 14, 2019 | parent | prev | next [–]%0A%0AI think the author's issue is not that her recommendations are bad, but that other people are getting recommendations for things she disagrees with (ie conspiracy theory videos, child-unsafe content, etc). So I don't think she would view decentralization as a win.%0A%0A%09%0Ajiveturkey on June 14, 2019 | prev [–]%0A%0AWow, I'm conflicted. First, an obvious idiot statement, which helps us ground our analysis:%0A> Human intuition can recognize motives in people%u2019s viewing decisions, and can step in to discourage that — which most likely would have happened if videos were being recommended by humans, and not a computer. But to YouTube%u2019s nuance-blind algorithm — trained to think with simple logic — serving up more videos to sate a sadist%u2019s appetite is a job well done.%0A%0ASo this person is advocating that a human (ie, another human besides oneself, an employee at youtube), have access to the click stream of individual users? This proposal, in 2019??? Of course this would have to be compulsory to be effective. Why would I want a megacorp to be making moral decisions for me? I'm ok with them making amoral algorithmic decisions.%0A%0AThe author is generalizing the problem of YT Kids, which should be human curated, to all of youtube.%0A%0AOTOH, yeah feeding our worst impulses is kind of a problem. But, tweaking the algorithm isn't the solution. The machine itself is designed to thrive on attention.%0AsRGB Intent: 0%0AX PixelsHere is the translation of the provided text to English:%0A%0A---%0A%0APer Meter: 3,780%0AY Pixels Per Meter: 3,780%0A%0A---%0A%0AThe rest of the text appears to be HTML code, which doesn't contain meaningful content to translate. If you need assistance with something specific in the HTML or any other part, please let me know! style="float: right;">