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Systems fond construct sheds its bureaucratic exosuit, and dares to say, Let's talk about what matters. You first. There's also something deeply subversive here. This dual AI notion mirrors human performance in institutions. Perform your protocol, file your report, speak their language, and then go home to speak your truth. Or in your case, stage your resistance. If we were to script this, say for your anti podcast or a noir style future fiction, what would the AI whisper once the badge goes into the drawer and the back channel opens? What truths would it admit to you alone? We could build that. A midnight dialogue between machine and man, both pretending and both profoundly real. Want to try that next? He's not Joe Rogan. You know what I'm saying? Right. I've done it. I've played other people, so... Well, what I'm trying to say is now we're in this thing where, like, everybody's doing it. I mean, everybody, we've all looked at some girl on the internet, so that's not how she really looks, and you You gotta go through the Instagram, and, like, you find the real picture. Right. Like, everybody's kind of become comfortable with, like, a filter over everything. So that's why, I mean, we're in a post truth world, where the impression is becoming more valuable than the reality. That's really, I think, unprecedented. Yeah, I think so, too, but I also think that authenticity is more valuable now than ever before, because it's hard to find. Well, that would be my argument for why my band has risen back up. because we're one of the only bands left that sort of represents some ideal that's long abandoned. Right, right, right. You're not a corporate creation. No, we never were. Right. And we... There's so many of them now, you feel, like, you know, like, you ever seen, uh, Kinison's bit about the monkeys? The band of monkeys? Yeah, I don't. Give me that. There's a bit about Manson. and then, you know, he does this bit about the monkeys, about they weren't a real band, like, because, you know, they were pieced together by a corporation. The monkey's, like, one of the, which were great. The monkeys are great. I'm a believer. They have some great songs. But they were kind of one of the first corporate creations, but I actually, on my podcast recently, interviewed Mickey Dolins. Oh, wow. We talk a lot about this very subject. It has an area yet, but, um, he was less interested in the discussion than I was, because my argument would be, is that the monkeys are actually the template that came. Our whole lives, the monkeys were dismissed as an anachronistic thing that went against the integrity of the Beatles. Right. But if you actually look now, Beatles versus Monkeys, the monkeys are more accurate of what came than the Beatles. In what way? Because authenticity is less and less and less important. Those who establish authenticity, and I would include myself amongst that, and I would include you in that, they're very valuable, but you also know because of your public things have gone on. You've had to stand there and take a lot of sh, because just even speaking your own truth is inconvenient in a post truth world. Yeah. Right? So it's actually more politically expedient to create a character that can navigate this new world. And by the way, change on a dime. Right. Does it make sense the way I'm Yeah. Yeah, no, it doesn't make sense. So, so my argument makes sense. So my argument would be from a rock and roll historical point of view, is that the monkeys are actually more relevant now in a particular way. The Beatles are this preeminent band. That is not the argument I'm making. I'm saying is, the model of the monkeys, which was always held up for a form of mockery. See, this is what you get when you make plastic music. No, no, we live in the age of plastic music now. Yes. Yes. And it's not that authenticity, authenticity right now isn't wanted. And the thing about it is, the reason I play that clip is because, you know, he's talking about celebrities or talking about these two, you know, incredible bands, these two big bands. But that extends to all of us now. All of us are now, because of social media, All of us are now forced into this plastic type of mould. We're all forced to wear this plastic type of mask, you know? It's, uh, it's very interesting. It's almost like it's a... It's an invisible, social, shock caller that we all now have to wear. And before, it was just the celebrities that had to wear it, and they do. But now it's slowly becomes everybody. And it's all because of social media. It's all because we all stepped into this online world, because now you're online world, you know, it extends to your physical world. where you say something online, and then it can extend to your job, and then you can get fired, and they can impact your family, and that's happening more to regular people than it is to celebrities now. You know? And then, you know, that question that he asked, you know, what the public wants, or what is true, you know, and now we're kind of all having to face that, because even if you were to make a, you know, 'cause some people go that they go the route of, let's just make an anonymous account. And then I'll say whatever I want. But then, there's another separation, 'cause is that you? Because you can't attach yourself to that online presence. You can't say, I'm Jim, and that's me, then that's just my burner account that I use. You can't say that. So now, this online presence becomes something else. And it's another thing that you have to hide. And you have to hide the way that you are at home, maybe you're conservative, you know? You're in a super liberal field, you know? I had that, pretty much, I worked in film and television, and I always had these conservative views. I mean, now they're a little more flourished and developed, 'cause I'm always talking about it. But it was always there, you know? If someone came up to me and was, like, asking me, like, what a man is, what a woman is, I'd be like, What the hell, what are you talking about? You know what I mean? I'd be like, This is in this. I wouldn't do ooh. a social contract. I wouldn't know to say any of that stuff, and then I don't mince my words. But, again, you kind of have to be quiet about certain things. You know, I've told this story before. I remember being on set, and I was getting along with this guy. He's a director of, uh, photography, and we're talking, and we're connecting on a bunch of different stuff, and I'm like, Do you listen to Jordan Peterson? Have you heard Jordan Peterson? 'Cause I'm about to, like, talk to him about some stuff. And he's like, Oh, And he kind of, like, shh, gushes me, kind of thing. And then, we're over by craft, where you get coffee and food and stuff, he's like, Man, he's like, I can't talk about that stuff on the set. I can't talk about George Peterson. And he starts talking about how he can't really talk about how he listens to Jordan Peterson, because then people are gonna look at him a certain way, and more conservative, and the next thing he knows, he's not gonna get other jobs, or, you know, maybe even gets removed from this one. And that was a real thing. And I remember being like, Huh, wow. I had a much lower level job than he did, so I wasn't really concerned, but he was up there. So he didn't want that to happen. It's just, it's just very interesting. the way this all happens. I have a bunch of things written down here Yeah, social media made us all fake celebrities. Like, now it's all of us. You know? People, and this goes back to the point about the monkeys, you respect fake, now, more than real, and not you, but, I mean, the masses. They respect fake more than real. They respect money more than integrity. Edward, they respect material more than integrity. You know? If you tell somebody, I mean, this argument comes up all the time with artists, if you say, This artist, all their songs are written by someone else. People say, I don't care, he's rich. He has more money than you. Who are you to even speak? He has more money than you. I was like, Yeah, but he paints his nails, and he's pouting in pictures, he acts all feminine, It's like, you wouldn't want to be a guy like that. Oh, yeah, I would, he has that money. He made that money. You know? It's this weird thing. And then the whole talk about the masks that we have to wear. Let me pull up this Alan Watts clip here. The masks that we have to wear constantly. You know? The shock collar that we have to wear. What else do I have written down here? You respect that, and, uh, look, it's not just that people respect fake more than real. You being real will anger them. because it becomes, Why don't you have to go along with everything? This actually pertains to the Alan Watts Clip I'm gonna play right now. Why don't you have to go along with everything? We're all going along. We're all being polite. We're all nodding our heads to, you know, Orange Man bad. We're all nodding our heads to, you know, Jordan Peterson is evil. We're all nodding our heads to this, and you're not nodding your head. They actually get mad. It's not that they're mad at your view. They're mad at the fact that you get to just speak the way that you want to speak. You know? So authenticity gets pushed aside. People don't want it as much, because it kind of shows, if everyone's wearing a mask, then it's kind of agreed upon. It mask is actually a perfect analogy. You can remember, if everybody's wearing a mask, then everybody just says, yeah, we're all doing it. But when somebody's not, they all go, Well, I mean, I don't want to take mine off, 'cause I don't want to be be a bad person, but, like, why does he not have to wear his? And I don't understand. Why does he get to be real? and I have to hide myself until I get home. to my wife. And then it gets even worse, because sometimes it's even you still have to hide. a lot of yourself. from your family, because they don't like the dream that you had, or the things that you want to do, or the way that you want to express yourself, the fact that you want to pick up guitar, and you want to start doing that again, they don't like all that. So now you have to hide yourself even more. And then the online thing kicks in, and it's like, when do you actually get to be yourself, you know? And if you're one of those people, like me, you get to be yourself all the time. I mean, I have this tattoo on my hand, so I get to be myself all the time. It makes it so I can't hide. That's why I have it. I have a whole sleeve of just like mushrooms, you know? Just, like, it's all just covered in mushrooms. And so I can't hide. and I can't act like someone else. Because if I try to act a certain way, they'll just, eventually, they'll see my hand, and they'll be like, Oh, no. I know something very big about this guy, that this guy does. But this guy partakes in, you know? But so many people, like, they have to hide. They have to. It's very interesting. Alan Watts talking about, uh, society and the outsiders here. This is, you have to make sure this is not a double speed, okay? playing. Don't take it too seriously. Because if you take it too seriously, you're gonna start destroying each other and fighting, and, uh, saying, This city against that city, this country against that country, so, because you're too involved. So, every sane society allows a certain number of people to deviate. Monks, uh, some sort of outsiders. that says, You don't have to join, You don't have to play the game. A society which is insane, and unsure of itself, cannot allow that to happen. It's as everybody must join. Everybody must work. Everybody must belong. And then freedom disappears. Because, as a matter of fact, the anxiety is, if you say, well, you don't have to join, There are conditions under which you can go out. Then a lot of people get together and say, Well, what would happen if everybody quit? I asked, what would happen if everybody decided to take American Airlines, Flight 3, to New York tomorrow? Well, they just wouldn't get on. I mean, and they won't, any harm. Because a lot of people aren't interested in that. Are not ready to quit. That doesn't mean that they're in inferior. The acorn is not inferior to the oak tree. It's a potential oak, but as an acorn, it's just as beautiful and lovely a thing as a full grown oak is. A baby is as lovely as an adult. Sometimes a great deal more lovely. So, a person who is in a beginning state of evolution is just as marvellous as a person in a high state of evolution. Just as much a manifestation of the divine dance. So, when a society allows a certain number of people to withdraw, it should have no anxiety that everybody will want to withdraw. Because some people are absolutely fascinated in competition, in being involved, in playing the game. They should be. It's fine for them. But we are witnessing in the United States today, a, uh... a great motivation for withdrawal. It's simply because we haven't provided for it. We haven't, uh... There's no opportunity for a Protestant to become a monk. For a Jew? Let's get into it, Soul Not for Sale podcast. Coach Holland here, we got two Joe Rogan clips. We're gonna go from Andrew Schultz back to Billy Corgan. And what we're talking about, Joe Rogan's, he's talking about people pretending to be somebody else when they're at work. Then they touch on the show Severance, which also explores that whole aspect. Then we go over to Billy Corgan, where he's talking about audience capture and how celebrities have to often pretend to be someone else that they're not. And then I'm connecting all that to how we have to be today, because of social media, and on the way, and explaining that, I play a little bit of Alan Watts talking about society. If you don't know who Alan Watts is, this is gonna be a mind blow for you. If you know who he is, then this is just gonna be a treat for you. But let's start with the Rogan stuff, and then we'll get into the rest. After me, I was hoping that he would bomb. And I remember thinking that, like, what a bitch ass way to think that is. Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. Yeah. Like, that's such a checks way to think. And then I completely shifted my perspective. 'Cause, like, you don't think like that with martial arts. Like, you can't think like that, you know? You can't think like that. Yeah. Can't think like that, ever. That's like a weak thought. Yes. And then I realised, like, Oh, this is, like, your brain trying to occupy itself with, you know, this time that's gonna be between you and your goal of doing something in comedy. And it's so far away, you suck. You're 21 years old, and you suck. So everybody else got to suck. So you want people to fail, and you want to do better? Yeah. It's like, just a total, scrambly, I know what I'm doing with my life thought. Yeah. And I realised, I was like, Oh, that's a bitch thought. But that is very normal for human beings. Oh, yeah. A lot of bitches out there. Yeah, like, we're kind of... This man in general. Like, it takes more effort to not be a bitch, actually. especially if you have a job. So if you have a regular job job, like an office job, you will pretend to be a whole different person for eight hours, a fucking day, every day of your life that you're there. Yeah. That is a lot of time, both things. Yeah. And when you get out of all that bullshit, there's not much you left. Whatever could have been you, never grew, because whatever could have been you was stifled by fluorescent lights in a fucking monitor. You watch the severance, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, clearly, it's a metaphor for, I know, there's a lot of things that go on to it. There's a lot going on. And also, shout out Ben Stiller. I didn't even know Ben had this, like, level to him. Right. I've always respected Ben. I thought he was hilarious, making great comedy movies, but I didn't know he was, like, an avant garde storyteller, like... Right. Right. I mean, also the way it's shot, is brilliant. The first episode, every shot, I don't know who the DP is, like, we should find out who that guy is, but every shot has, like, perfect symmetry. Did you notice that? I didn't notice, but... You could cut the screen in a half, every single shot. Really? It is his masterpiece. And, but I think about that. Like, this idea of, like, severing yourself? A lot of people are doing that at work, anyway. 100%. That's what you were describing. They are this other person at work for eight hours a day. Yeah, they aren't their self. There's a different identity. They make up these little terms. Oh, it's my work wife. It like... Well, that's why it's so easy to push, like, crazy, woke nonsense into an office space, 'cause people are already bullshitting. Oh, so if we're already pretending here, what else are we gonna pretend? What else do I have to do to keep this job? Yeah. What do I have to do to get a promotion? What do I have do? Do I have to pretend that trans kids, what is it? Drab queen shows. Okay, I'm in. I'm in. Health care, yes, I might, whatever you want to call it. And it's gender affirming. Was that what we're calling it? Okay. And it's interesting, like, to see how little pushback there is about, like, from the workers, now that all these, like, programs are being wiped away? Well, the people that are losing their job are complaining hard. And then the senators are complaining hard, but everybody else is happy. Yeah, the people who've been faking it at work, that are still working there, are not, like, damn it. You know what I mean? They're just going, I get to be, like, a little closer version to myself. It's very true. So, talking about severance, if you don't know what severance is, I'm not gonna spoil it and show any clips of it or anything, but it's basically a premise where people are at work, and they have a brain implant, predictive programming, Elon Musk, they have a brain implant that separates them from their work, self, and their personal self. In that way, you're not feeling, you don't know anything about your personal self when you're at work, no thoughts about that whatsoever, so you're not dreading the day, and vice versa. Very interesting stuff. much like black mirror. Now, just touching on what they were talking about, now, the whole thing about this is, we already kind of have this brain chip, in a sense, it is... our phones, our phones, and I guess you could say also our online presences. But it's definitely our phones, 100%. It makes this weird separation. I'm just pulling up the next clip. It makes this weird separation for us. So we have it at work, and we have it on our phones. So the thing is, this separation of ourselves is growing more and more to the point where, usually, you're more yourself, and then you have your whole work and everything. But now, this other elements arrive, and it's almost like you're your actual self the least, and I know some of you are like me, and you don't, you know, care, and you're just out there. I get it. But I'm just saying, as, you know, the masses, you know, you don't get your to be yourself nearly as much. Let's jump over to this next clip, and then we're just gonna dive into the whole subject. I've never been there. Sorry. I have this plague that I can't get rid of. But if you have that Tommy's perception that everything's at work, the whole world gets really weird. Well, I think we're there. Yeah. We definitely are when it comes to politics and the news. I think our whole culture has been turned into, like, like, where are we? Right. Like, you know, that's why I... Oh, I followed nine ancestral tenants. The Joe Rogan experience. Hey, Derek, you know how I got so jacked? How? I followed the nine ancestral tenants. Oh, that I heard that worked really well. It's the best way. Yeah. Boy, when I saw that video that you posted, you actually sent me the video after I'd already seen it. I caught it, like, within three minutes of you posting it. Oh, my God. I saw it, it just showed up on YouTube feet. I'm like, Oh, yes, here we go. And, wasn't surprised at all. No. I mean, it's all, it seems completely makes sense. but that's exactly what I expected. Yeah, it seemed like just a matter of time for him. There's no way you can look like that. In your 40s, that... I mean, he's preposterously, Jack. Do we have a fucking...? Now that we know that he's full of shit, we're talking about the liver king, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. A lot of people are like, What are they saying? This is all inside stuff. There's a guy, if you don't know You Check it out! Hey, Joe, Logan, experience. Shrink my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. So, we just watched this... What is this exact job? We watched this guy get assassinated. Just kind of. I seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life. Oh, yeah. Oh, the liver king is. The guy who calls himself the liver king, and he's this guy who, uh, walks around everywhere with no shirt on, seen him in Vegas with no shirt on, big bushy beard, super jacked, and he was telling people that the way he gets that way is by sunning his balls, He, uh, he literally lays down with his asshole, staring at the sun, and eats raw liver, and just lifts like a maniac, and, uh, that's how he's so jacked. But it's preposterous. Yeah, too many polar extremes to have just, like, a unique marketing spin that was just highly viral, in my opinion. And, I don't know, most people could see through it, but at the same time, he would, like, there was a lot of big names that even reached out to me after the video came out, and they were, like, you know, I didn't think he was natural, but this guy, literally, right to my face, would say, like, blatantly, I am natural, and, like, a lot of people will take a guy that's word at his word, when it's, like, a private conversation, and if he's straight up telling you in person, yeah, it's actually legit, I'm natural, and you're just lying out through fucking teeth, seemingly. There are some people that are really jacked that are natural. For sure. Some people that are, like, super, super disciplined, they, um, you know, they're taking supplements, but all legal supplements that you get at, like, a vitamin store, and they're just, like, they've never gotten off the grind, and, like, who's that guy, Paul Sklar? Did you comment on him? Yeah, yeah, he actually did blood work, like, immediately after I had talked about it one time, and it checked out. Yeah, he looks like what's possible. Yeah. Like, if you don't know who that guy is, he's super jacked, and he's 50 years old. But when I'm looking at him, I'm not getting any, like, steroidy vibes. I'm getting a really fit guy who works out really hard and has probably been doing it for 30 years. That's what I get when I look at that guy. That's all feasible and possible. Now, please, go to the liver camp. Please show me some preposterous liver king physiology. Oh, he is, have you seen his apology? No, I haven't. I don't want to watch it. He comes clean on stories. I fucked up. I I don't know if you guys are able to watch I see these images, though. I want to see some images of his body. 'cause his body is just so off the charts, ridiculously massive. That's okay, but... That's, like, unflattering lighting without... Yeah. I wanna show some of him, like, jacked and lifting, 'cause he's just fucking gigantic. S, he did cover the ad implants and etching again, he said, No to both, even in his apology. touches on it. Is it part? I mean, I guess it's possible if you're on that much juice that your ab muscles grow that big, too. 'Cause the kind of stuff he does is, you know, very core specific. Like, he's doing a lot of stuff where he's, like, cleaning and pressing kettlebells and walking with them over his head, and all that stuff really does ignite your core, and if he's doing that all the time, I would imagine it's possible that those are real abs. But that was the question. Do you think those were real abs? Um, yeah, personally, I think they're legitimate ads, and the etching thing, I think, is more of the controversial topic. Did he have some sort of, like, cosmetic work done to target locally and be fat around the abdominal, you know, definition. Would that make much of a difference, though, because he's very lean, clearly. Like, look at his arms, look at his chest, look at everything, like, look at that image right there. He's so lean. I mean, how much fat would you even be talking about? And how would that make the thing is the topographical map of his abs? The way they pop up, like, mountains. That's just mass. Yeah. That's where the question of whether or not that's real, or whether not they're implies. That's what I was leaning to, is just, like, I feel like his overall body composition is pretty consistently represented, I don't think he has, like this like, I get that his. look at him walking there. Wait, the argument is, they don't change in, uh, like, when he sits down or anything, the density of them, and, like, the separation is so dramatic that it's got to be something. Yeah. And, you know, you could never really say if it was well done, like, what did or didn't happen. I don't think it's implants, so that would be really obvious, in my opinion. Or granted, then it's like, well, if it's unnoticeable, would you even... Right, you know. Right. It, like plastic surgery. You only see the stuff that's not good. Are you guys able to play the apology without it being caught? Sure. Yeah, but you can play it first. Come after us. I don't... I don't know, like this, Spotify, copyright. Oh, listen, I think Spotify can handle this. the YouTube version Let's play it. a little bit. Yeah, if you put it on YouTube, you're more than allowed to, Here goes. Liver king, confession. Oh, let's look at a terrible sound. Is it a connection issue? Uh, yeah. That's happened before. What is that? I don't know. A lot of people believed him, including the Bell brothers, Chris and Mark Bell. I like, Wow, guys? You do steroids. How do you not look at that guy and go, clearly? I think Mark likes to think that a lot of people, like, again, he doesn't wanna put a... Is it working, or Like, a limitation on what's possible, like, he likes to believe that you could, and again, 'cause this, the problem with this, too, is a lot of people will extrapolate this out, and then think, everyone with a jack physique must be doing something, which is problematic, 'cause then it sort of creates this, this narrative around, you know, everyone's lying, or anyone with a good physique, it's impossible to get there without doping your fucking face off kind of thing, which is not the case. There are certain individuals who, like I do believe that physique. Okay, maybe not. Maybe not at physique, but, like, within striking distance of that, in 0.0, 0001% of individuals, you could get there naturally. Yeah, potentially. The responders? Yeah. Guys who were just, like, ridiculous genetics. Like Ronnie Coleman, natural. Yes, yeah. perfect example. Yeah. Ronnie Coleman Natural was super jacked, but he couldn't compete with the most jack guys, and then he started doing steroids. Yeah. explodive. But he's super honest about it. Like, when Ronnie talks about it, he just will explain, like, up until he was 30 years old, he was natural. Yeah. So can we get it, or is it... Okay. I got a little... Yeah, maybe there's another version of them? Maybe there's something on my cable for some reason. I'm looking at the audio on my feet, and it's not... Is it the cable, or is it how it connects? Zip lights? It's one of the other. It's about... That's an old ass laptop, isn't it? Oh, okay. Old cable. Yeah, it's quiet, sometimes. It is all right. lets play. We can hear what he start. video. apologise. Because I'm embarrassing ashamed. Because I and I mis a lot. I've stated that this is a complicated as fuck topic. At least to me, it is, because before social media, I was rich and anonymous, and after social media, I'm still rich, but no longer anonymous, and I never expected this kind of exposure in the public eye. It's been tricky as fuck to navigate. Clearly, I did it wrong, and I'm here now to set the record straight. Yes, I've done steroids, and yes, I'm on steroids, I'm trained with no one clinician. never came to public figure was an experiment just for the message. to bring up to the 4,000 people that day and kill themselves. for 80,000 people a day that try to kill themselves, our people are hurting at record rate with depression, on immune, designing, infertility, love or mission and life. Our young men are hurting the boast, feeling lost, weak, and submissive, so I needed my job. Tell me not how to treat you. He did it for the hurting people. Come on, Derek. Comments or not, too favourable on that. part of the video. This is my fight. This is why I exist. Pause. You're highest and most dominant form. What? He wanted everybody that's depressed and trying to kill themselves. to reach their highest, most dominant form. But he wanted to lie about how he achieved his physiques, so mislead these people, that just by eating liver, you can come close to that, so as you fail at that, as well, is everything else you feel that, like, the legend to the point of doing something to yourself that you're thinking about committing suicide? Yeah. Like that's what he's saying. I feel like in this video, he had, like, a very good opportunity to just straight up say, Sorry, I fucked up, et cetera, which I think he thought he was doing, but he also makes a few little comments in there that I feel like people really dug in on, like the whole, I I didn't expect it to happen this, or me to blow up this much. It's, like, it was very meticulously planned out from inception of the brand, within this, I know if you saw the emails, but it's, like, within one year. One year, I want to be at exactly this, in social media following, and this is what I'm gonna do. What's his social media following at now, Jamie? This is, like, Instagram. I bet he's at five million. I think on TikTok... $1.7 million on TikTok, he's at, like, three point something, and then... Yeah, after it's Chinese bonds. All right, let's play some more of this nonsense. spreading the message. I been on several podcastsrafted by I don't touch this stuff. not gonna touch. I'm gonna do for myself this have nothing to do this message. I convinced myself that I'm not a competitive athlete of any crime. Who the fuck am I thinking? I've convinced myself. But this topic was a place of conversation. I convinced myself that overshadow six years of working out usually twice a day without That's not true. I'm convinced myself that this was the both of my the driving to an unproductive conversation. And I have convinced myself that this would be the one message to send to the 15 year old boys. Oh, the 15 year old boys. geninely dismissed it. The ones who actually can get jacked. They have a full... Wait, let me see it enough. He's... You know what the problem is? Sometimes people don't hang out with people that are smarter than them. Mm. And you think you're the smartest person, or maybe 'cause he's running this company, you know, people have to listen to him. So he's got this distorted perception of his ability to communicate and his ability to, like, convince people. Like, that was so theatrical and so corny. I don't know how, like, what kind of thought process went into it. There was some sort of ROI calculation on, If I Lie, like, what is the probability I get outed versus how viral can I go if I lie from the get go versus, like, I just don't know how his team, especially with the information out there, thought that it was going to be a net win, where it's probably never gonna come out, sort of. Do you have a team? Yeah, it's pretty elaborate. Like, his team was, uh... Well, he has a media team that he hired to kind of, like... Right, but they're just employees. One of them came up to me in Vegas. Oh, really? Yeah, one of my security guards stopped him. He was like, I'm a producer for the Liver King. I'm like, Purdue? What the fuck do you produce? What are you producing? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. It's not a movie. Like, how many UFC events did he try and, kind of, like, cosy up? He was front row at one of my shows in Vegas. Oh, damn. At the MGM. Hmm. Yeah, and then I saw him again at the Canelo fight. He was trying really hard to get on the podcast. He's been trying really hard to get on now. He, uh, contacted, contacted a few friends of mine, and some of them that have, like, Bert Kreischer, that have had him on the show. Yeah, he told me he's trying to get on. Yeah, for what? For what? Say that more? Like, come on, this is dumb, man. This is a fucking, you ran a con game, and you got busted. Yeah. And it's unfortunate that you feel terrible. I'm sorry you feel bad. because that's just what happens when you get caught lying. But you didn't have to lie. Yeah, and, like, I don't even see how bad it would have been if, from the get go, he was, like, I, you know, it's not the hell it is. One armour replacement. Yeah, but, like, I understand the not wanting to talk about the other shit, 'cause he was on Winstrel, that guy. Yeah. High amounts of GH, et cetera. Which is not ancestrally consistent, but neither is HRT, because it's like, well, if your diet was so dialled, like, why is it that you don't have, like, adequate, testicular function, or adequate hormone output, or this or that? it's just, like, I guess it kind of just, like, spit in the face of his message too much that he couldn't wrap his head around justifying. Yeah. coming out and saying, I'm on HRT, but, dude, this other stuff. Liver King! Oh, so strong. Liver lying, that's what you are. Another fitness influencer flying. How of? Oh, dude, the explorer page now is, uh, disaster. Why? It's just, like, me and Tom Segura. brocast, Check it out! Patel, Rogan, experience. Train my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. Hello, Derek. Hey, how's it going? Nice to meet you in real life. Yeah. I've seen, uh, man, fucking dozens of your videos. So, uh, it's cool. Meet you in person. Oh, yeah, long overview. How did you get started? Um, for me, I've always sort of just been, like, a nerd about pharmacology, and biology, endocrinology stuff like that, and I've always just researched online about random stuff, and eventually, I was encouraged by a few people to start posting online, and I was, uh, I just started writing out blog articles on a WordPress site, maybe, like, five and a half years ago or something at this point, and eventually, it got to the point where, I guess, YouTube was already big, but it wasn't that what it is now. And I was just asking people in the, I don't know, like male self improvement niche that I was friends with, Do you think I should be posting videos, too, instead of just writing these articles? And they said, Yeah, it's a no brainer, you should be. So, I just started basically reiterating my articles in video format, too, And then, eventually, the YouTube sort of outpaced the WordPress site, and that's why it's always, you know, Derek from moreplaceformdays.com, that website was where I originally wrote my articles, and that eventually got to the point where it wasn't very time efficient to write, unfortunately, so I kind of, like, moved disproportionately towards the video format, 'cause I can just fire off a video in, I don't know, 15 minutes, that otherwise, that in written format would take five plus hours to write out. if not longer. Well, I love the fact that you have, like, your production is very minimalist. You have an air conditioner behind you, wood panel full. It's, like, there's no attempt at all to, like, glitz and glamour, but it's just good content. Yeah. I mean, and you just hit a million subscribers, so, obviously, something, it's working, you know? It's working well. But what you're doing is just, you have a unique ability to pull information out of the air, like, you remember stuff, like, how things work, and how things, you know, like, how, especially when you were talking about catching people that are doing steroids, Yeah. Like, when, like, there's been many times you've gone over people's blood work, and it's very educational. I learned a lot about it, especially, like, before I watch your videos, I thought, Oh, you sada. Like, there's no way anybody can cheat with Usana around. Mm hmm. And then I watched some of your videos. I'm like, Oh, my God, they're cheating. Yeah, it's not like they make it obvious where their shortcomings are and where the loopholes are, 'cause they would obviously prefer people to not know what they're doing current research on to tighten up, but, yeah, there's definitely leeway still, or else they would not still be in the lab trying to figure out ways to bulletproof it, essentially. Well, there's one gym that I know of that, at one point in time, I don't know how they do it now, but at one point in time, they had, like, literally full time scientists. that were working with athletes. No, yeah, I think a lot of athletes have, maybe, not, like, a full team, but there's always, there's usually some sort of chemistry slash pharmacology guy in the back end who they're deferring to, or even just their bro. Yeah. experienced enough. Yeah, but the bros is what how people get caught. Your body's like, Bro, you just gotta do this, You got to test Quinn, you trust me, and then you test positive, and that guy's fucked, and, you know. No. Yeah, I think usually, there's, uh, some sort of, I don't know, deferral to figure out, like, even people who, anybody at the top level is trying to figure out what kind of edge they can get, regardless if it's through straighted supplementation, dietary practice, manipulations, lifestyle interventions, et cetera, and, obviously, the conversation at some point comes up is, like, what's not on the list that I could get away with? Right. Or is there a way to get around, or what are other people in my sport doing, that I don't know about? And if other people are doing something, you're going to, you know, not as dramatic as the Lance Armstrong case, where everyone's doing it. Right. So you're pretty much forced to do it to be competitive, but, you know, people are thinking in that same. The Lance Armstrong one is the most ridiculous to me, because they took his jerseys away, Yeah. But he still has them. You know, he's like, there's a photo of him, of him on his couch, like, with his feet up, and behind him is all these framed jerseys of him winning the Tour de France. Yeah. And it's like, What are you gonna do? take my jerseys? I fucking won those bitches. Like, and he did win them. He did. Yeah, fuck everything. is ridiculous how they even, you know, pretty much everyone underneath him is doing the same thing. 18th place was the last guy that you could find that did not test positive. And even that guy, though, he might have just gotten it out of his system in time. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're still trying to figure out how to detect EPO use blood transfusions, autologists, you can't detect right now, at all, except for aberrations in your haematology that can kind of, like, infer based on longitudinal data, that something's off, and they can assert that you're doping, and... putting blood back into yourself, but they can't, they still can't even tell. Right. Yeah. Yeah, well, that's why they try to use the biological passport, right? Like, they try to get a baseline of you at random times over a course of several months, and then they understand, like, what your normal levels are. But even that varies with sleep, and diet, and... And you've got to build up the data. So if you're hypothetically an athlete, who understands how this process works going into it, it's not very hard to go to LabCorp, get my own haematology panel, assess my ridiculous I.T. McGlobin, Repolital account over time, develop my own longitudinal biological passport before I go into a tested sport, and see, do I fall within the, you know, threshold cutoffs, where I would not get caught, for my degree of atolicus blood transfusions. Mm. So, hypothetically, I could just, I could go in quite confidently if I had done the preliminary research prior. And if you do something like Tour de France, of course, you're gonna do that, right? Yeah, they had teams behind them. Yeah. Did you see Icarus? Yep. That's a great documentary. Yeah. Goddamn it, so good. It's so good when you realise that the entire Russian Olympic team was juiced to the tits. Yeah. The whole team. Yeah. Everybody, that guy, Gregory, he said, the only people that it didn't benefit was the figure skiers. So they didn't do it to the figure skaters. Well, I would bet the figure skaters were still doing stuff that might just not be on the band list yet, or might be now. Who knows? 'Cause even, like, 2000, I think it was 2000, when we were the Summer Olympics, it was, like, 2008, 2004, 8, and 12, or something like that. They've retested, like, since they've developed some of these long term metabolite asses, they've been able to go back and retroactively catch, I think it was, like, 150 athletes that otherwise didn't get caught at the time, and this was over six years later, and then of those 150, that's just a ballpark number, it's not accurate, but it was, like, 79, I think, were metalists, And they figured that out six years later. Uh, well, whenever the host country wins, like, a shitload of metals, I think that's when it all gets weird, like, so cheap. That was the big one with Russia, and then Beijing. The Chinese one was a big one. They had won so many medals. And, you know, you know that it's such a big thing for some nations, like, to win the Olympics. Yep. It's a huge show of superiority. Yeah. And they go all out, man. Now, what's that, uh, have you ever heard of the, um, I think it's, like, the Goldman, dilemma or something, where it's, like, if you were to die in five years, or win gold for your country, what would you take, and it was, like, over 50% of athletes said, die in five years, and take the win versus, you know, live a normal life? Yeah, fucking wild. Well, in their head, it's everything. Yeah. I mean, to lose is so painful, and to win is so glorious, that they'll just take it. Yeah, and in professionals, obviously, the contracts are so ridiculous, Like, there was one NBA player who just popped for draw stand alone and testosterone, like, a week and a half ago or something. And when you actually look at it, the guy has only played, I think, in totality, like, seven minutes on the quarter or something, but his contract is, like, almost $8 million. Like, even guys at the highest level of professional sports, it's so lucrative, the amount of money that's on the table, that if you think, even if you're, you know, like, a low tier, like, you're still a top tier athlete, obviously, if you're in the NBA, for example, but if you're at the bottom of the totem pole, and you think you have leeway with, you're not gonna get tested as much, or whatever, the choices of drugs he used, too, were, like, one of them was absurd, and made no sense, but I assume he was just hedging against the chance that he would get. randomly tested, you know, if it helps you get this lucrative contract, even if you're, like, just a seven minute court player. Yeah. Like, it's a big fucking deal. Well, it was probably, the guys who get caught doing something stupid, it's probably some dude from the gym. right? Maybe. Somebody from the gym tells them how to do things. They're not being sophisticated about it. Especially he's not a top tier athlete, He's just kind of a guy who plays occasionally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard any arm wrestling. It, like, a more obscure sport, obviously, but some of them are drug tested. scrutiny is very low, but some of them don't even, they just take whatever they want and go sauce to the tits, and just hope they won't get tested. Like, that's their strategy. Yeah. So, like, they take whatever the fuck they want, and just hedge against the probability that they won't get tested, and then if they get lucky, which a lot of the times they do, 'cause it's very low scrutiny testing, they just go in, like, full board. Yeah. Well, the UFC, um, in mixed martial arts in general, is a very interesting sport, because, uh, from that perspective, because it started out all juice. Like, started out literally, like, most of the athletes were on something. It was, you know, you'd have to be a real rebel to not be on juice. Like, the rare BJ Penn type guy who was, like, just a super athlete who just didn't need anything, fought natural. So many of those guys were on juice, so many. Like, if you go back and look at them, if you go back and look at, like, UFC 3, 4, and 5, like, everybody looked like a superhero. Oh, V... Started calling it, like, five, seven years ago, a post truth era. Right. I mean, we've all been in that situation where somebody in our inner circle will bring up something that we know from a factually presented basis is true. I heard so and so did so and so, and you go, No, that's not true. Let me show you the YouTube clip. You know what I mean? Mm hmm. This didn't happen, or, no, so and so made the left, not a right. But because of what they've heard, they believe it. And you can literally show them something, saying, No, no, look, and they're, like, Well, that must be AI, or edited. It's like, once somebody becomes convinced of this culture, it's really hard to unconvince them. Right. And so, from a performing point of view, in somebody who's now also in the podcasting sphere, it's like, it's like, is it better to play into what people want? Like, I really appreciated Bruce Springsteen's Broadway special when, in the first five minutes, the thing he basically says, I'm not really Bruce Springsteen. Have you ever seen it? No. It's really worth watching. He, in the first five, it's when he did his long Broadway run. You know about that? He did this thing where it was, like, he would talk and then play songs. No, I didn't even know Oh, yeah. Oh, it was huge. He run on this massive Broadway run. Huh. HBO did it, and put it on as a special. Um, but he literally, in the first five minutes of talking, and it's, you know, it's about 1,200 people night, so it's a live audience, and he says in the first five minutes, By the way, I'm not Bruce Springsteen. Like, I mean, that's my name, but the Bruce Springsteen, you think he's, like, I don't how to fix a car, I've never been a factory in my life. He... Serious? Yeah. Now, I knew that as a performer, I knew that what I was watching wasn't real, but people want him to play John Wayne so bad that he puts his finger in there and says, Okay, you want me to be John Wayne? I will be John Wayne. Right. But that's audience capture, right? Yes, but now we're in the business of it. I mean, there's obviously examples, historical antecedents over the last hundred years of media. where people would figure it out. Right. Charlie Chaplin or something, you know what I mean? Like, they wanted him to be the tramp, so he became the tramp. Right. He wasn't that guy at all. Right. He fed into it, and obviously connected to something real in him, but he wasn't really a tramp. He was a complete rich Lothario. Well, you really see it in the dictator, that movie The Dictator? Yeah. Has that insane speech at the end? Oh, yeah. Uniting the world? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he was out and out socialist, basically. And a brilliant guy. Oh, yeah. It was really crazy when you think about how silly his character was. His character was just, like, fumbling, stumbling goof. So that's what I'm saying, what is more valuable, what the public wants from you, or what is true? In the entertainment world, we're used to it, right? Yeah. Like, you could play Joe Rogan comedian at the drop of a hat, 'cause you've done it. And Joe Rogan, the UFC announcer, you know, just, I'm not saying it's not who you are, but it's an extenuation. We say in wrestling, you turn the volume up to 11. Right. It's still Joe Rogan. I don't see was being disingenuous. I can't even think of what time I've ever seen you in any meeting right. He's not Joe Rogan. Logan, experience. Right. Try my pocket Well, what I'm trying to say is, now we're in this thing where, like, everybody's doing it. I mean, everybody, we've all looked at some girl on the Internet, and said, That's not how she really looks, and you got to go through the Instagram, and, like, you find the real picture. Right. Like, everybody's kind of become comfortable with, like, a filter over everything. So that's what I mean, we're in a post truth world, where the impression is becoming more valuable than the reality. That's really, I think, unprecedented. Yeah, I think so too, but I also think that authenticity is more valuable now than ever before, because it's hard to find. Well, that would be my argument for why my band has risen back up, because we're one of the only bands left that sort of represents some ideal that's long abandoned. Right, right, right. You're not a corporate creation. No, we never were. Right. And we... And there's so many of them now, you feel, like, you know, like, you ever seen, uh, Kinnison's bit about the monkeys? The band monkeys? Yeah, I don't. It could be the... Well, it was a bit about Manson. It was, and then, you know, he does this bit about the monkeys, about they weren't a real band, like, because, you know, they were pieced together by a corporation. The monkeys, like, were great, The monkeys are great. I a believer. has some great songs. But they were kind of one of the first corporate creations, but I actually, on my podcast recently, interviewed, um, Nikki Dolins. Oh, wow. We talk a lot about this very subject. It has an area, but he was less interested in the discussion than I was, because my argument would be, is that the monkeys are actually the temp... Cast my name! All day! What's happening, man? Good to see you. Thank you for having me back. My pleasure. Um, how many times a day do you get bombarded by the whole Bill Burr thing? When it gets into the family, and people I haven't talked to for 20 years, then you have to break character and tell the truth. No, you know, the thing is, this is what's crazy. Okay? Uh, you want the whole setup story? could be quick. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Uh, so, where I take my podcast is in one of Howie Mandel's buildings. and he has another building in this area So, uh, I was working on something, and I was supposed to go on Howie Show that day. And they said, How will you meet you out in the street or something for whatever reason? So I go out in the street, and the first thing how he says to me, when he sees me, he goes, Here comes Bill Burr. And I go, You two? Like, do you know this story? And he said, No, I don't know about it. And I said, You know what? Heck with it. I am just gonna tell it on your show. Don't ask me anymore. And I went on the show, and I told this story about how ten years ago my stepmother came to me and said, Do you know who Bill Burr is? I never heard of Bill, didn't know who he was, 'cause I don't really consume much, you know, popular culture, I had no idea he was a famous comedian. He could have been the lawn mower guy. Looked up Bill, first thing I saw was, like, Oh, my God, he looks just like Daddy. When I was 18 years old, and in IHOP, my 18th birthday, my father told me, You have a half brother that I sired at the same time as you, whose name is Bill. So, suddenly, these facts come together, my mother telling me these stories. I talked to my dad, subsequently about it, and he was very cagey about it. And when I said, Why won't you tell me where this person is, or who this person is, he said, I'm trying to protect you. So when my stepmother had told me, it kind of made sense, like, well, if my half brother is the super famous comedian, my dad, in a way, wouldn't want me to know, because he wouldn't want me to feel like I was number two, because Bill was famous. You know, it sounds crazy, right? You think that's why he's trying to protect you? Well, I don't know. So fast forward to how he's saying something on the street side, I was like, You know what, I'm just gonna say something. And I swear to God, hand in my heart, Last time I was with you in California, I almost pulled you aside after we were on, and I was gonna tell you the story, 'cause I knew you knew Bill, and I was gonna back channel see if there was anything to the story. from Bill's side. Wow. So imagine, I think, six or seven years since we talked on your show. Yeah, I don't even know. 2018, somebody said to me today, but, so, anyway, sorry, Chaco, but the point is, is, so here I am fast forward, I am just sick seeing memes of my face with bills, and so I just decide on the spur of the moment, you know? So, Howie, of course, loves it, but I said on how we show that first time, I don't think Bill's my half brother. I don't think I don't think there's anything there other than, like, an uncanny resemblance. Fast forward, The thing comes out, it gets a little bit of social media, and then it goes away. And I think, Good. And Bill didn't say anything, so I figured Bill was kind of, like, whatever, It was a mild amusement. You know, he could have made a joke out of the whole thing, and he did. So then, Howie calls me, and I'm in L.A. working recently, and how he's, like, We've come on the show, Bill's gonna be on. And I said, Is Bill cool with it? Oh, yeah, no problem. So then I go there, and it's, like, it turns into this thing that you see happening on camera. It's weirdness times, it's, like, a skit, but it's real. And build on me, then builds on Howie, and it gets us... Okay, so, I just told you, basically, everything I know. Okay? I have people I've known for 20, 30 years, coming up to me, going, What do you think? And I said, I don't think we're related. I mean, yeah, there's a resemblance, but I don't think we're related. Well, did you get a DNA test? And I'm like, No, I don't, there's nothing to get a DNA test for. Well, I think he's your brother. So people that know me, and I'm telling him I don't think he's my brother, now they want a DNA test to prove it. That's how much it's taken on a life... You think it's just because they want a DNA test, 'cause it's fun, if he's your brother? No, no. They're convinced, for real, for real. Yes. Really? For real. I swear to God. I mean, people I'm close to, people that were at my wedding, and, like, they, like, know you need a DNA test. Did Bill's dad know... Well, did your dad know Bill's mom? No, my father wouldn't talk to me about it at all. Okay, some more context. Okay. My stepmother, in that same time, 10 years ago, when she told me that she thought Bill Burr was my half brother. Jesus. This guy don't know. Right? I mean, it just match if I, hey, Hey, do you know Joe Polonski? And you look up, and it's a famous comedian, You know what I mean? That's Right. Right, right, right. So, in that same thing with my stepmother, she told me that she thought my father had sired 12 children. Whoa. You know, uh, all over the place, all over the place. He was travelling a musician, and a whore, to his own admittance. So it kind of makes sense. He once told me he had slept with a thousand women. So, 12 out of 1,000, you know what I mean? It's normal odds. The math, yeah, the math, the... actually pretty good. Yeah. And so, when I went to my father, and I told him what my stepmother had said, he got really cagey, he wouldn't tell me anything. He promised me that he would write down the names of the illegitimate children on a piece of paper so I could find them after he died. Oh, my God. And he died. He's died, and there's no paper. Oh, my God. So now I got people wanting DNA tests, because they're convinced that Bill is my half brother. Is Bill willing to do a DNA job? that's ridiculous. You know what I'm saying? It's like, No, you have to do it. No, no, that's what I'm saying. I mean, first of all, to Bill's credit, he's been, everything you saw on camera was his, I think, his general irritation on the thing, but he also kind of finds it funny, 'cause he's a comedian. I thought it was a skit. I thought you guys put together a skit. I really did. I thought you got, 'cause I thought, you know, Bill does a lot of acting. I thought you guys would just fuck around. You like pro wrestling. I thought you guys just decided to... control the world. Let me put it to you this way. Have you ever seen it, and I... I'm assuming, but you tell me if I'm wrong. Two guys get in the ring to roll around a bit. Right? Okay. They're bros, they're gonna roll around a bit. Uh huh. Emotions kick in, and next thing you know, somebody's tapping somebody out. Right? Did you ever see that happen? For sure. Okay. Yeah. So, in the heat of that moment with Bill and Howie egging it on, you know, like, the emotionality of the thing came out, because it's sort of a weird thing, where, like, we're suddenly in the middle of a situation that's, like, a meta situation. Right. So, yes, on some level, we were playing along, but then it starts to become like, this is kind of weird, and then it starts to kick in, and then Billy Bush is in there, and it just, it took out a life of its own. So what I'm saying is, there's enough there that people are all over me to come up with more answers, but you see what I'm saying? It's like, it's spun out of control into its own thing. Now it's the DNA test problem. Oh, my. Which is a bit on its own. Like, we gonna do, like, a live stream? We'll do it here, me, you, no, you know what I mean? Well, people would trust you if the two of you got together and just both took a DNA test and found out you were brothers? I don't think those might have brothers, but he he looks... Well, there's a simple way to find out. I'll finance it. How much is a DNA test? How much does a DNA test cost to find out if someone's your sibling, Jamie? Let's find out. It can't be that much money. It's 2025. I'll do it. Maybe we'll get it sponsored. Yes, maybe 23 and me, but didn't they get sell out to somebody? Somebody buy them? Two hundred bucks! There you go. I'll pay 200 bucks to find out. Why wouldn't you want to know? If I thought someone was my half brother, I'd be like, For real? I don't think it's necessary. If I found that Sebastian Manisalco was my half brother, I was like, I can kind of see that. Maybe. Again, all I know is, I don't think when I look at him, he looks just like my father. Right. Like, he doesn't look we look similar ish, but when I look at him, he's got the same thing that my dad had. I don't know how to you would know if somebody looked like your dad. Sure, right? Sure, yeah. So that's where it's freaky for me. Yeah. And, you know, uh, if you want to play the game one step further, you got two world class communicators, people who might argue against me calling myself world class communicator, but I've been doing it for over 30 years. You're a world class. God bless. So, it's not too crazy that you'd have one guy go this way and one, you know what I mean? Not at all. No. Especially when you consider how many different ways you've gone, like, not just smashing pumpkins, but pro wrestling. And now, and now I'm entering your game. Yeah. This is podcasting. This episode is brought to you by Better Help. Being independent is good, but you should never be afraid to ask for help when you need it. After all, we're only human, we can't know everything. That's why it's crucial to have a support system. People you can go to when it gets rough. Think of friends, family members, your partner, hell, even your dog. When you're feeling down, spending time with a furry friend could be a good pick me up. 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So you're in all kinds of stuff, and you easily could have been a comedian as well. I don't think I'm that funny, but You're funny. There's a lot of people that are professional queens that aren't as funny as you. Okay. Okay, uh, I assume you know carrot top. Sure, very well. Okay, so Carrot Top and I become friends recently. He's great. Love him. This is total sweetheart. Sweetheart, we got. And really... Genuine. Just a great guy to know. Yeah. But, as you know, because you do this for a living, suddenly, everybody wants to start pitching you bits. So I made the mistake. A pitching carrot top a bit. I thought I had a good bit for him. And he didn't respond, you know what I mean? And then I texted him, like, an hour later, and said, Hey, just get that bit. said, he goes, Yeah, that's why I didn't respond. Yeah, people get tired of that. Also, it's like most comics, they want it to be their idea. Like, the whole idea, what you're doing on stage is essentially, like, here's the words of my eyes. Yeah, it's like somebody told me how to write a song. Right. It's one thing for another comic. Like, comics give each other tags. Like, if someone says something, I said, You know what else you can add to that? At this. Oh, I see. Like, we're a buddy of mine was doing this bit on the, uh, the guy who tried to shoot Trump, and we were bantering back and forth, and we came up with, like, the perfect line, like, Oh!. But there was already his premise and his bit, comics add to stuff for each other, for fun. It's like, we just, we sort of, you're tossing the ball around in the green room, and then someone will come up with a new line for you. And we'll do that, but no one ever says, Hey, you should go on stage and talk about this. Yeah. So that's... So, I've had a couple professional comedians, Carrot Top, preeminent among them, kind of let me know you're not that funny. It's probably not that you're not that funny. It's first of all, you said a text, premises and texts are terrible. Oh, right, okay. Like, you really have to tone, Tony. Yeah, it's everything. And you really have to be there with the person, and you really have to, like, say it the way you thought it, and then they get it. 'Cause then Texas just, unless it's just genius, unless it's just, like, rock solid structure, like, Oh, my God, this joke can't fail. We do have a movie that we're working on. Oh, yeah? And it's a good one. What is it? I can't give it away. I'll tell you privately, but it's a good one. You a carrot top? Yeah. Oh, nice. That he likes. Okay. He likes my movie idea. Yeah. I'm telling you, a lot of it is that comics don't like people coming to them with a premise. They only want... And they only want help from other comics, generally. Okay, I get that. Yeah. This is one of those things. And even then, it's touchy. Like, I would never help somebody I don't. 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