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Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day so we just watched this what is this exact job we watch this guy get assassinated which is kind of I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life oh yeah dude the explore page now is a disaster it's just like me and Tom seura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day yeah yeah it's a brutal text thread but because of it now I'm locked into this algorithm the CEO of their insurance unit which I don't know what the difference is and what people heard he's CEO but a targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him a real assassination 645 a.m. outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place yeah man I wonder what's going on with that that's the one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now oh for sure is there all it's got to be the investor meeting has now been cancelled obviously but so that was maybe the goal what's worse your uh X explore page or your Instagram uh my Instagram oh really yeah my I don't I just follow I mean I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram it's I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing but when I someone say something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram I just immediately follow like let's see let's see if this would be fun uh but on the thing about Twitter or X is that like I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm I'm mostly just reading stuff I don't really hardly ever like post anything I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things so then it reinforces the algorithm like oh you want to see this guy get shot or oh you want to see this car accident we'll give you more of those I've seen so many people get run over by cars oh so many people and it yeah it's crazy because I a lot of the stuff I've seen in the past year I didn't even know could be on the internet right I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts which one fake boobs a fake baby oh no yeah they use a fake baby so they breastfeed so you got these girls these big juicy melons and they pull one out and have a rubber baby and the rubber baby suck on the head and the the baby looks so fake that's hilarious but they can get some like pretty realistic fake babies yeah yeah like what was that movie with um the sniper movie about CHR Kyle what was that called remember it was a movie where he had a fake baby and it was like so obvious he's got this like rubber baby and he's like holding on to his child in this stupid scene I'm I'm pretty sure on Twitter you can just post nudity without any yes like problems right you can problems pornography yeah the dude the replies to a lot of tweets that are irrelevant to porn it'll just be like that's cool but if you see my pussy it'll be like some chick promoting her only that's so common now and I just like the discourse is like half infested at this point they had this one lady who was saying she made $40 million this year on in on uh only fans oh yeah that's nuts 40 million and she's a virgin I guess and she doesn't post SE sure sure she's a virgin sure she's a 23-year-old big tittied version the only one that exists in the whole world see that's an interesting uh scenario if true because it's like a lot of dudes want to shit on these chicks for being like like prostitutes essentially right but like if she was actually a virgin and she's posting like almost nude but not quite but making a bunch of money off it yeah there's like two contradictory things going on right now yeah she wins but the problem is this is I mean I don't want to tell anybody to not do do anything like ladies you do what you want you do you if I was a young pretty girl I'd probably be on only fans I'd probably make some money fuck it why would I want to be a waitress when I could just show my tits that's how I would look at it the problem is twofold one you become addicted to an extraordinary amount of money if you're successful at it right so there's like a scale of people on the only fans apparently most of the only F did we we talked about this right like most of the gals don't make that much money most of them yeah I mean that's what what's that much six figures or millions or no like even less like most of them make a few thousand a month I think so I think out of this 43 one guy paid her five million she said yeah dude that's insane it would suck too is if you went full board and you did like actual porn and just got like banged on camera just for thinking you're going to become a multi-millionaire and then you still are like you would have to get banged on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base and you have to do a really good job like every time super enthusiastic but my point is like you're not going to like most beautiful young women want a high value man as a husband if let's say they're heterosexual let's just assume they want to get married if they do want to get married they do want a relationship you're not going to get a high value man especially if you're making if you're making millions of dollars a year doing this you're going to want a guy who makes millions of dollars a year right you're not going to want a guy who makes less than you you're probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton this and that and you're used to all this shit so you're probably you're wealthy right so you're already your dating pool's smaller because you're probably not interested in a guy who makes $100,000 a year like a regular guy to you is like what is he going to do he can't even take me anywhere this B I'm going to pay for our vacation the fuck out of here right so you've already like cut like regular guys out so now you have a very small pool of men that you can date and then out of that pool how many of them are going to accept the fact that you're doing this now you have an even smaller pool so some guys will accept it but for how long like if you get real serious you get married and then you're still showing your asshle everybody that's you know you're in but you're addicted to that money like are you going to pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be dming his ex-girlfriend you know like you're going to throw it all away and throw away this 40 million year Empire you've created or are you trapped in that essentially forever yeah it's uh it's interesting the thresholds though too of where they become successful for what they're doing because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole they just they just post like thirst trap Fitness girl type content almost and people pay for that I 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Google guy some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are going to interact with guys and how this is going to create like profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems yeah I imagine so and um I I imagine a lot of the DM conversations are probably AI chat GPT already 100% yeah or you know you got some Andrew Tate type deal there's a bunch of dudes who are like pounded on the keyboard where the girl shows her tits yeah which is what he did for years yeah innovator yeah and the curve yeah yeah you're you're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person right because there's a bunch of AI generated girlfriends or girls rather that have only fans where they don't even exist they're not even a physical being yeah there's some pretty big Instagram pages I think that are just like fake yeah yeah yeah and it's just like even a I think they're owned by entities like companies that have like an army of AI chicks yeah yeah oh yeah which is crazy and they generate a lot of money I've seen the comment section on a couple of them too and shockingly well maybe not I don't know but there's a lot of people that are engaging with it like it's a real person and I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI but I mean like some people are pretty stupid well there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ like a real good percentage isn't like 15 or 20% is it something nutty like that yeah yeah it's like it's the same amount that people that like above it are going to be below it's like a standard deviation of like averages and stats yeah there's people that are they're about as smart as a labrador they just can talk and you could trick them yeah yeah you know and if you can get those dumb asses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them have you seen the uh the UFC collab with that only fans chick does a UFC collab only fans chick pull it up what is this so there's this girl who to spark outrage and get engagement she breaks like exotic cars like she'll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or something what and just like shake her ass and then it gets tons of views and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's disrespecting a nice piece of Machinery or whatever but at the end of the day she gets views from it and then more people go to her page and sign up to it but how much is a Lambo worth like Lambos are like half a million dollars right she'll smash like the windshield only or like a window from like the driver's side and then do some like call to action or something wow like pull up the the UFC one you'll be able to tell what I'm talking about better I know the girl you're talking about but I don't I didn't know she did something with the UFC yeah Dana White like posted it what he's like check this shit out what yeah I got to find on a second unless they un is it on UFC Instagram yeah it was like a collaboration I saw a few days ago okay what they're giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event I think and she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of Al Lambo what yeah real I I thought it was kind of a weird combo this is the gal oh don't do it don't you got a is that a crowbar oh what the fuck are you doing oh Jesus that's why I'm giving away this McLaren 600 LT at Power slab for for free check out the links in our bios on how to enter everybody said wow we're the dumbest fucking race one of we so dumb what are the accounts that collabed with it it was UFC right yeah a for power slap event we are we are of course it's for power slap that's just as dumb we are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived we really are what do you think about power slap I don't I don't I don't get it um I I've watched it a ton of times un like little Instagram reals you know when it shows up I watch guys get ko'ed it's I would never advise anybody to do it I don't care how good you are getting slapped I don't care how good you are at slapping people for me the whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit like the whole idea is the skill it's like you impose your skill set it's like a you know human chess game that's the opposite you're just standing in front of each other whacking each other in the face but I will watch so if people want to do it that's your you know if you're some giant fat guy you see one of those guys actually had a fight a dirty boxing fight with yoel Romero who's like the freaks the dirty boxing King dude he's also super juicy now he's a heavyweight now so yoel is 47 so he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as like you know I'm sure you would disagree but look at what he looks like now we could talk about that later definitely this is yoel now he smashes this guy look at the size of him this is not a good video Jamie find find another video of it there's the actual video of It from the fight event that's like someone's camera from the side side view but he's huge yoel's like 220 now 225 baby he's fucking massive he used to suck down to 185 and then what would he walk in at though I think like two well when he would weigh 185 this is back when yoel was fighting there was actual weigh-ins yeah you know so right now there's actual weigh-ins but it's a ceremonial weighin like tomorrow uh at the UFC I'll host the ceremonial weighin so the fighters weighed in at like 9 o' in the morning the ceremonial weighin is at 5:00 p.m. they've had the entire day to rehydrate so yoel back in those days was 185 when you wait in at 5:00 p.m. at 185 and you couldn't believe he was 185 cuz I would be like 200 lb and I'd be sitting there I'm like how how am I bigger than you this doesn't make this like defies all known laws of physics and gravity like it doesn't make any sense he was massive these enormous traps he was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight he didn't look smaller he still looked fucking huge man yeah he had like really he has really round muscle bellies so it's almost like bodybuilder esque in terms of like how much how much bigger you look just cosmetic too so this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy and look at the size of Y now he's definitely Les lean yeah he's lesan he's eating whatever he wants but he's still got a six-pack but he's fucking massive dude so how do he end up in this league like what was oh I I think this is Mike Mike Perry's thing I think he's putting this together he's involved with it in some way shape or form so yoel is just basically like toying with this guy this guy has literally no business no disrespect to the man but no business in the the ring with this world class athlete like how much do you got to get paid to go in and fight yel for this $15 like watch how he hops up in the air before he he decides to go what is that about he just decides to like hop in the air he's like enough let me end this he just decides it's time to end it oh my God he's fucking huge dude look at his back look at his back that guy used to weigh 185 and by the way if look at see the back of his neck he has a fully fused neck if he wasn't you know 36 when he entered into the UFC that's how old he was when he first started fighting he was already past his professional Prime when he first started fighting in the UFC you know if he had gotten into MMA when he was 20 probably nobody would have ever beaten him he's the freak of all freaks when it comes to like athletic specimens like he's the freak yeah when was his last fight in the UFC quite a while ago uh he fought aagna I want to say five years ago when did when when did he fight Israel and I think maybe he had one other fight other than that but you know he was knocking guys dead at 40 you know before the pandemic March March 7th 2020 there you go so that was his last fight in the UFC so the last four years he's been competing for Bellator and so they're a little less stringent they don't have a usada deal or now uh whatever it's called Uh drug free sport I think they call it now that's the new company which is essentially the same protocols but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins or anything like you saw it was gross like they would take these guys that are dehydrated starving themselves day before the fight wake them up at six o'clock in the morning did you see that uh article I sent you about the usata corruption yes so let's talk about that yeah so basically and this was like a water press release too so it's not like it was some journalist or something it's like on the official water site and they were basically exposing how usada was covering up uh test results so for which athletes uh unnamed uh as far as which sports they wouldn't say they just had like Olympic level athletes and Elite athletes and kept it very vague really and essentially they they just closed what they had tested positive for and even that one of them was an Olympic caliber athlete and their entire career they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped us supposedly catch other people oh they were narcs so like yeah so if you helped them catch people then you could get away with using like full board testosterone really yeah oh my God so they're like a drug dealer that works for the government yeah wow and this was like one of the reasons of many why like Hunter and others are very critical of usata and are glad they're not under it anymore well there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations like one of them is BBC 157 which is natural in the human body you know and peptides all they're doing is helping you heal you're literally dealing with a sport we beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training and you you're not going to like assist these people in healing like wouldn't that only benefit everybody there's no like fear of like harm there's no there like no one's dying from BBC 157 within the code there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended wow look how they phrase that how what dirty language proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended what does that mean it means you're you're allowing them to cheat however there's a clear process for that which does not involve allowing Those Who Have Cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating in what wait a minute what are you saying then so it doesn't do that they're saying it doesn't do that at the bottom W is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents okay so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping but they still did yeah essentially while they were on shit wow imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that the athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated in that case when usada eventually admitted to W that had been what had been going on it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete security at risk what and asked wada to agree to non-publication what security were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong what the fuck are you talking about security at risk in another case of a high Le level athlete usada never notified W of its decision to lift an athletes provisional suspension which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code had W been notified it would have never allowed this WOW interesting and it sounds like this was somewhat how they operated as if they had a high profile enough person or certain circumstances they would kind of autonomously decide hey if you work alongside us to catch other people cuz you might know something that we don't or what have you then we'll just let you you know no one will know that's so dirty that's so dirty that's literally contrary to the whole reason why they exist yeah what's really crazy is I mean according to the UFC so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decide to sever their relationship and then usada like publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitor to do steroids now which is not the case at all like they already had a contract in place with drug- free sport I talked to the guy from drug free sport and he was essentially laying out the pro it was essentially identical no bpc157 no testosterone grow nothing like you can't do anything the standards are actually much higher now too in contrast like you said I would claim or at least suggest that they were doing full spectrum bulletproof testing but it turned out they were almost never EPO testing um the HGH testing was never really done and then also the isopor uh what was it the uh isotope ratio Mass Spec was uh not really being done either was that a like a budget thing like it was two expensive test I believe so and also time intensive um for some of these tests as well and I guess for like the number of tests they were conducting perhaps it was too extensive or I don't really know what the exact motivation was like often you would think it comes down to budget and time but also if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further like the same way if you went to a doctor and you'd be like should I test this they'll be like oh if we know this like who cares it's not necessary like I don't necessarily know they went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat if I have you know preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further sometimes you don't have to you know test further if there's not an atypical finding so yeah but like let's if they're not testing for EPO for example and maybe there's a an event in Mexico City right which is 7,700 feet above sea level that place is brutal that that's where Cain Velasquez uh who was known as like probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time he fought fabriccio over doom and he did not prepare properly Fabrizio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like 4 months so Fabricio who speaks fluent Spanish lived in Mexico like he was really got ready and he beat Cain Velasquez in that night to become the champion and he had tremendous cardio and Kane was just dying that's how brutal Mexico City is so imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these like really high altitude places which we have events Salt Lake City and you don't test for EPO yeah no I'm saying crazy that's crazy czy because that's the place where you would do it particular if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title yeah and it's like some of the stuff even if you're looking for it is quite difficult to detect anyway it's like micro doing EPO is still they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it how long is the sh the like the the life is detectable inside your body uh I believe it's like a few days and that's if you're using like that's not a micro do protocol either uh well how much of a benefit do you get from micro doing uh fairly significant given you can even just retaining your Baseline parameters if you're weight cutting can be quite helpful so it's almost like offsetting for example the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation if you can sustain it at normal is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages well that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down to flyweight to fight Henry cejudo which is when he got popped and you know but he was he looked like a skeleton did you ever see those weight cut yeah that was insane I might be missp speaking on the detection time of epo by the way but it's at at minimum the micro do protocols that are being implemented still even most recent literature you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants were they're actually looking for for it still past their testing really yeah wow well one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use especially like directly after cardio imparts uh like like a micro do EPO effect have you read anything about that uh not for not recently no so I don't know maybe you could brush me up do you have a i well maybe we could find it but I know it's helped my cardio it it helped significantly because I went through an injury once where I I couldn't do uh any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while and whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that it would be the first few days were fucking brutal and it wasn't brutal at all and it was because of regular sauna use sauna bathing can increase the production of epo a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells this can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen now um it says here's how plasma volume when you sit in a sauna you sweat which comes from blood plasma as your blood plasma levels decrease your kidneys in release EPO so how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO it's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone other hormones they look for does it look like a endogenous signature so different compounds there's different ways to analyze but in general it's going to be either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would be have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally na endogenously versus exogenous origin which is the way they make it in a lab does not necessarily look exactly the same so even though it's EPO that you're injecting it's actually like recombinant AKA made in a lab and not like it's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you it's like grown in a lab essentially right right well that was one of the things that Jeff nitzki actually uh said could be an issue is that it is possible at least theoretically to take testosterone from animals yeah so find a mammal based testosterone instead of getting it from so they they create it from Wild yams right yeah so wild yams from Mexico apparently where they get all the testosterone that when you buy testosterone siphonate or whatever and soy yeah soy yeah what do you mean yeah they use soy to like the phyto uh some of the compounds in the soy as well as yams look similar molecularly to um the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone so you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for lowcost way to make hormones and that's how testosterone is made oh that's interesting because soy is always associated with like soy boys stuff yeah it's associated with high estrogen levels yeah I think the two primary ways they synthesize testosterone now is soy and yams so nitzki was saying that with at least in theory a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals and then it would be impossible to differentiate yeah I think uh maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotop ratio testing and having a c proof testosterone formulation if athletes are doing that and I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more and it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios because it's more minute and specific apparently as opposed to with the carbon content they've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures wow and your diet even what you can change what your signature is too cuz they have to use as like a reference they use for example from your urine they'll find some other compound that is like Upstream from testosterone for example and they will use that as a benchmark of like this is what your signature is of how the carbon content of sex hormones and then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this they know that okay however you got this in your body is different than the Upstream hormone so through that we can infer that you know it's probably of exogenous origin but the if the exogenous origin one looks like the Upstream hormones like you you would never be able to tell so it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the Upstream yeah even though you've injected it yeah and if you had like animal grade testosterone or cholesterol even from like a medical grade you know compound facility or something like you could probably react it down and create like a cir proof testosterone God it would be it seems like it' be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out maybe yeah but it's like the access to lab equipment and highle testing is not as uh the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be for sure like there are I even have heard of people paying off water accredited labs to get like testing done to really yeah so could like assess where they stand in terms of like some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd prop pop or not is that legal no so they bribe water they allegedly there's water accredited Labs not just in the States but like in other countries where there a bit more corrupt and you can you know persuade them to test your samples oh so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere yeah yeah and then they go yeah Senor you got problems Senor this look good yeah but yeah if you do enough homework you can you know develop a biological passport internally with your own team and you know be know you're bulletproof rather than just guessing yeah well there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time uh before he tested positive and um one of the concerns was that he was testing himself that he had gotten tested like a number of times which generally you don't do H now why was that uh recorded though like that they have his uh medical records cuz you can just like pay for blood tests and get urine analysis I might be speaking at a turn uh I might be speaking at a school here I don't remember I don't remember the thing but I remember someone who knows things telling me yeah you know I'm kind of on the inside so someone someone who knows things on the inside told me dude he got tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that during Camp oh was for sure trying to get around them well he's also pissed hot this is when he fought Mark hunt and a giant lawsuit involved right now oh wow yeah I don't know if that lawsuit has been if it's still ongoing or what the deal was but Mark hunt was Furious yeah was obvious when you look at the guy I mean he was like 39 years old 300 lbs cutting down to 265 he was fucking huge man yeah what's even more interesting too is the storage of samples a lot of Sports don't actually do it so with Olympic testing often times the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past once they've refined the testing and actually are able to detect you know long-term metabolites of terol or something of that nature but in a lot of sports like especially in the in the US for like traditional professional sports they're not storing urine typically right so if you have more refined testing get developed often times there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time right and at least from what I've seen there's a really good paper um uh one of the guys I know who's on the inside on this his name is Alex Kari Turner he has excellent information and studies on this stuff but he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past I know it was like a full decade of um analyzation it was like 75% of them tested years later not at the actual time of winning their medal so if they're only being popped you know three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more based on advancements in testing you can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing given that retroactively they're not being tested at all right so it's like if you're ahead of the Curve now there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now even if what you took had a more refined assay developed you know five years from now they're not going to go get your sample and retry it right that makes sense but wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped because they went back and looked at his uh his old Stu like once they developed new testing protocols was it an Olympic Athlete well that's why cuz Olympic Games they started storing uh samples 2004 so they're a bit more rigorous about that and there are there are probably some sports that store but the majority don't yeah and it's like you know you could say it's corruption or you could say it's you know people trying to the sport trying to cover it up but I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too because it's like you still have to be a profitable Enterprise and right you know I I don't know how much you can you know scrutinize the economics on something like that you're also managing at scale right like how many athletes are you dealing with how much time do you have to go back and you know review all the different urine samples and go back yeah yeah no but it gets crazy because it kind of it highly suggests that in a lot of sports as long as you're ahead of the curve you're probably good yeah now obviously you have to actually beat the test now which is more and more rigorous by the year of course but at least historically what we've seen is it's the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective um yeah like in general the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals which are being tested for but it's like at the scale it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all like you know we saw with usata they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing so I would say those are probably the go-tos you know like EPO especially and HGH um there are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do sometimes they don't like um I think it's called trime tadine there was some like top level tennis player who just popped like a week ago or something and what is that it's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got for a few years back yeah it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing and then they claimed it was like food contamination or something and they were like oh that's I guess that's what happened and then a bunch of those two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics and 11 of them were allowed to compete still what does it do it uh shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization so basically in general to create ATP your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose and an endurance event which is heavily oxygen sapping if you can shift which is what this drug does it sh inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids which is a less oxygen intensive process so you can basically conserve oxygen proportion to the amount of ATP you're producing so in an endurance event if you can have more oxygen for Less cost internally then it's highly performance-enhancing wow or it should be you know it's kind of speculative as that if it's actually performance-enhancing but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug oh by the way you said the first time I was here you said uh uh the Russian Olympics the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters yeah yeah there was a Russian figure skater was 15 who was on this angina medication well that kind of makes sense right because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you're figure skating it's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around like yeah yeah oh for sure but they said that steroids it found they found that like gross motor skills like he's so loud dude can you nudge him keep him from fucking snoring so loud but they they found that like testosterone and things along those lines like actual steroids it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater that it didn't enhance but this that was Gregory whatever his name was from Icarus yeah yeah and like I could see obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport cuz you know there are some sports where you know being heavier is going to be problematic right and you might you know want something that could enhance I don't know your cognitive capacity or whatever it may be or like slow down your heart rate for example for archery or you know different applications for sure like beta blockers yeah like for archery for example things like propanolol like highly effective as well as for you know public speaking playing piano publicly I think there's like uh famous pianists who uses strog too yeah I've heard of people using beta blockers snipers too really yeah it makes sense right yeah just dropping that that anxiety response yeah and if crosses the bloodb brain barrier like Propranolol does it actually calms you down very significantly it's not just about lowering the heart rate it also like de-stresses you like it's an anti-anxiety drug essentially wow yeah you've never tried it no for archery I'd be wondering if it was uh I thought about doing it once I even asked my doctor about and he was going to get it for me but I was like I don't want to cheat like half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together and if you could just do it like if I could just shoot at a deer the way I shoot at a Target I don't think it would be the same yeah fair enough yeah it's like part of it is like you're a purist yeah in that regard because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind that's what I like about it I like that it's hard to do I don't want it to be easier you know it's fucking hard to do and that's literally why I like it like if I could take a drug that would make it easier to do I don't think I would like it I'm very effective right now I'm very I'm real successful at Bow Hunting you know relatively for like it's a non if like I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money I'm fortunate but relatively speaking bow hunting is not a successful Endeavor it's like maybe 10% of the Hunts like with people get tags maybe probably less in most places actually Harvest an animal how often do you do it I do it twice a year I go on a big elk hunt and I do like a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that in between that maybe one deer hunt and it's like how intensive of a prep is it and like the whole process of doing the trip is it like a multi-day thing or yeah I go for like a week um the really intensive part though is the preparation for it and I was going to tell you about this too because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one so when uh hunting season approaches for like 3 months out of hunting season I ramp up all my cardio and all my Boh my archery so I practice in my backyard I practice archery I'm shooting at 85 yards I shoot an 84 PB bow and I might shoot it a 100 times a day so I'm pulling 80 lbs 84 lbs a hundred times in a day and I'm doing it day after day after day after day I'm doing it five six days a week so I was developing like severe pain in my lower back on my right side that to like sciatica and I was also developing some severe neck pain on my right side so this is it's all it's really unbalanced thing right because I really should draw something back with my I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right but I don't so you draw back so I'm pulling it's 84 pounds to pull it back it's at least for the beginning of the cycle and then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers like the holding weight is I think my holding weight is like 20% 20 or 25% of the actual weight of the bow but what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place the way archery works is you want to what's called pull at the wall right so where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady right and then I'm I'm trying to relax this shoulder and Pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back with my lower back muscle so on my right side it was just getting locked up like painful and stiff and sore like hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going I would do it for hours three hours a day just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my my hips were getting numb like my glutes weren't firing I was getting sciatic pain it was pretty bad so I knew after hunting season was over I was gonna have to dress it so I got some stem cell shots which definitely helped I started doing a lot of stretching no archery for a couple months a lot of like hard foam like it's I have a from Elite flexibility they make like a PVC Roller with like a very thin layer so it's very hard and I was doing a lot of rolling rolling in the sauna cold plunge sauna stretching and it was getting a little better slowly but it was brutal like it was taking a long time to cover and then I started doing this thing called newfit and what newfit is is electrical muscular stimulation while you going through exercise routines and so they slap these electr pads uh all over your muscles and fully contract you and then you go through exercises while you're doing it and it's like significantly increased my Rehabilitation I've only been doing it for a few weeks too I've only been doing it for like three weeks all my back Pain's gone abilities back uh no no more sciatica at all no issues at all and everything is like much looser it's like coming back so you find that more effective than stem cells no I think it's the combination of things it's so it's very hard to tell like what is actually working but when you add one thing and then all a sudden you get a significant response I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for I mean there's some sort of synergistic effect right cuz I'm using peptides I got this like I said I got stem cells shot into it so this is like a and it takes a while for the stem cells to take place I'm sure that's part of it but then this new fit thing is pretty significant so I've been doing that quite a lot I've been doing that four days a week and it's it's legit man it's really legit I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul um so I know a lot of other athletes yeah use it a lot of people use it for rehabilitation it's like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from like surgeries and injuries and stuff like that what else are you using now as part of your nothing new nothing new um still bpc157 tv500 you know ipam moral and stuff like that like the same stuff that I've always used before this is the only thing that I've done that's really new this new fifth have you ever seen it before no see if you can find like some examples of uh I cuz like I said tys was using it so it's no more time intensive because it's during training so you're what you're doing is so I'm doing it for rehabilitation so uh so this is what it looks like so they slap these electrodes to you so your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate you know so I I get them to crank that fucker up and when you're doing it your muscles are like completely flexed yeah through the whole thing it's like it's kind of painful and then while you're doing that you're going through all these different exercises okay so they're like kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that You' be doing the for me what I'm doing is rehabilitative but other people do it for for hypertrophy and bodybuilders do it apparently to like say if like you've got like trap issues like you don't like you need to like have one area where you want to improve they're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises yeah there I an entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as like a replacement for exercise just a replacement yeah and it was like such like a rich person question like how do I not go to the gym and still like go to the gym there was a place in Boston when I lived there in the the80s that had that I forget what it was called but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you you have a six-pack you get Jack and all you have to do is lay there and lay there and they put these electrodes on you just have you have you ever seen those like uh ancient uh like belly shaking things for like women to lose body F like back in the 40s they just sit there shaking back and forth no I'm sure it's it's more effective than that obviously which did nothing but I don't think it's a replacement and I would imagine I would speculate that the time it would take to stimulate yourself if it's for hyper tropy if you just worked out more you'd probably get better results perhaps it's the the idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction yeah so there's no contract relax contract relax you are just contracted you're just and then you're going through all these exercises so you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted it's kind of difficult I think if you were injured it probably has a lot of viability but I would be highly suspect of it being used for like a guy trying to break a plateau who's a veteran lifter for example right right right yeah I would agree and no bodybuilders I know attribute any success to something like this right well this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders used a target areas that they like of having difficulty like maybe your calves like people have a difficult time growing calf muscles most uh biggest nuisance of a body part genetically it's C well at Jon Jones that's the craziest thing yeah like one of the best kickers in the sport no Cavs they're like non-existent yeah it's so genetically predetermined seemingly that you know you'll have guys who are top Olympia caliber bodybuilders and if they haven't had Cals for their whole career they don't suddenly develop them even though they obviously know how to train and then people will shit on them and say you have no calves bro like learn how of train it's like this is my job like do you think I don't know how to do a fucking calf race but they just won't grow yeah like proportionally so they lag behind significantly and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage but it is like a very very uh uh difficult area to locally you know if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies it's very difficult to make weird a bad looking calf look good it's weird because you get to go like John everything else is pretty big you know he's got big chest big arms like and this is not to say don't train cevs cuz people get all riled up about you know skipping leg days and stuff well especially for performance you know like you certainly need strong calf muscles for performance so you can make them stronger they just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing yeah and there's definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does but in general like it seems like if they're lagging behind for you it's it's pretty difficult to bring them up that's weird what a weird body part yeah yeah it's like one of the worst offenders for is there anything else like that any other body parts that are like notoriously difficult to train H that's a good question um probably there's probably something that I'm not thinking of I don't know neck maybe but that's pretty easy to train actually it's just not many people do it well neck you got to be careful though was I you know I use an iron neck which I really believe in it's like the only thing that I've ever done that's strengthened my neck and not caus me any neck problems whereas I think those other ones like you know those things where you put like the leather helmet on with the chain you're doing I think that's an unusual movement for your neck and I think you could probably get away with I know a lot of wrestlers and including Mike Tyson who fucked their neck up from neck Bridges have you seen theuh F1 drivers workout routines no dude pull up oh they would have to have crazy necks oh yeah that's like what they do for their training mostly seemingly oh you have to they're just sitting there with like a giant fucking Contraption on their head just like like an iron neck yeah yeah but it's like it seems even more intensive like it's uh let's see yeah but see what I'm saying is they're not bending the neck right so what they're doing is they're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance but what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight which I think is what's unusual and I think that's just a a weird strain on the discs and with a lot of guys um especially wrestlers where they get strain from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and like pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that you can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a Dar choke or or triangle where you're like really fucked up and distorted you're resisting against it you can fuck your neck up so what the iron neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation so you have this Halo you put it on your head you pump it like a rebok pump and it like form fits to your head you put a chin strap on and then you back up and so it's got a bungee cord so very stiff rubber cord and as you're pulling back you have a lot of resistance this way and then you could rotate and then on the rotation you could adjust the resistance you can make it more difficult but you're never doing any of this stuff and I think this stuff is where at least from what I've seen people get hurt especially neck Bridges neck Bridges where your whole body I can imagine and you're doing all this and you're rolling like Tyson you ever seen Tyson's Neck Bridge routine when he was younger no well Tyson had a 20in neck yeah 20 in you know how crazy that is his neck would start at the top of his head when he was young I mean he had a fucking massive neck but it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch because his head didn't snap around like look how look at his neck when he's young that neck is crazy dude that's crazy NE parallel with his head yeah like see look at this is what he would do every day in training holy shit that looks yeah rough but this wrestler Bridge does strengthen your neck but at a cost and I don't think it's at a cost for everybody I think it probably can be done safely but I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully and make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs you know like when you're in these reared positions like you're never supposed to have all you know at least bridging with like 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over the side then roll it over the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead that's just crazy that's yeah oh yeah I would uh that looked fucking sketch dude well Mike had to get neck surgery yoel Romero like I said had his whole neck fused his neck doesn't ever see him run no but it probably looks hilarious see find the video of yel Romero sprinting it's nuts his neck doesn't move it's like this like a robot like a Terminator but it's also why yoel can take crazy punishment like yoel got head kicked once by I think it was Derrick Brunson head kicked him and he didn't even move like go get him run so his neck doesn't move his entire neck is completely fused and he has this giant scar on the back of his neck he's a freak though dude did you ever get the impression that if he just like threw himself into the fire more in fights he probably would have won a lot more I don't know I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more cuz it was always it was kind of hard to tell if he was Gass sometimes and then he would all of a sudden burst out exactly like that Costa Romero fight is still to this day one of my favorite fights ever and I I don't know man like it almost a lot of the Romero fights it seems like if he just started swinging and going in there that he might be able to take out a lot of dudes that he just let go to decision perhaps but you have to like know how much gas you have in the tank and only he knows and that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive it's very smart cuz you don't just explode and keep going you won't last you last two minutes and then you'll be dead so what he does is like kind he looks like so relaxed and then he explodes on you and when he explodes on people they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at like did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman probably that's the perfect example of that he caught Chris Weidman with a flying knee as Chris W was coming in for a Tak down he just like lulled him into like this is the speed we're moving at we're going to move at this speed this is how we're fighting oh I'm dodging your punches oh I'm DOD and then out of nowhere bam he hits him with his flying knee and just destroys his head I mean it was one of the most brutal watch this so see how he like moves boom Oh my God yeah I mean literally his whole body F back it up against we could see that one more time like before it happens so they're fighting he's got him on the ground oh so here it is so you see as he moves he's not boom he just leaps into him this is like a highlight thing it's not showing the the whole exchange but in the fight you know weidman's very aggressive very tough and you know pushing a pace trying to get the takedowns Wyman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys and Y well just would like kind of like move and relax and then out of nowhere he would just blow on you and that's what he did with adna too like that was a very boring fight cuz ados like I see your fucking game I'm going to stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me I'm going to Counterattack and yel was like come on come fight me and he's like uh I know what you're doing because he he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand like a powerful left hand Izzy's like oh Jesus Christ this guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to but he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds he can't really just keep exploding that's like the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor like Conor McGregor was Lethal for one or two rounds but then you get into the third fourth and fifth it's there's so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement there's so much explosion it's like constant sprinting yeah has he ever knocked out a guy after round two even that's a good question I don't know I mean he certainly could right I mean he's not out of shape I remember what what you're saying though it was like the later rounds it was so blatant he was Gast well he was so fast in the first couple of rounds that was the thing it's like if he didn't fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie and then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tired like how is this guy still here and then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up and Nate can push that 50% Pace forever yeah him and his brother were very good at that they didn't really explode they just would like touch you they just touch you all the time and you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax right so if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard you're like cuz you're always like cuz you don't know if these punches are going to be hard and then you occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots and so you always have to be ready for the hard shot so you never get to breathe you never get to relax so you're constantly on edge and you you're just getting worn out and he's relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you and he's talking shit to you what bitch what bitch what's going on bitch and he keep hitting you this like 50% like literally like this not really trying to hurt you at all just just is constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank no they uh seem Relentless oh dude well his cardio Nick Diaz especially cardio was Insanity he swam back from Alcatraz he did it on five different occasions in the ocean with great white sharks SW what is it like a mile and a half or something like that in the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest ocean I don't know but how far is alcatra how far is the swim they used to think you couldn't do it they used to think no one could survive it so that's why they put Al alcatra there like put a prison out there they're fucked but a couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them like they found their clothes at the beach and there's speculation that at least one guy survived it but how are you going to train you can't train to swim and then you're going to just swim for a mile and a half yeah you're not going to make it I don't know I don't what's cardio regimens in prison I would have no idea I mean you could do cardio but you're not going to recreate swimming without swimming the resistance the current like all of it and temperature regulation yeah you're you're just not going to be able to recreate that unless you're doing it they're not going to let you practice like guys just going to do laps around alcatra like get the fuck out of here how far is it Jamie and mile and a half so a mile and a half in the fucking ocean with sharks when was this that these prisoners escaped like was this decades ago was that CL would movie escape from alcatra did you see it no no it was a movie about the actual escape from alcatra these guys had made a papier-mâché model of their face and like put it like with put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it and the guards when they would go to check thought these guys were still in their bed meanwhile they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the of the uh of the cell 1979 film Escape from Alcatraz presented inconclusive conclusions what does that mean on one of the islands enduring Mysteries told the true story of three men Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John algen Al angen uh who made it out of the prison in June of 1962 were never seen again nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the attempt true stories like that and others embellished Tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable alcatra and the impossible swim well it's definitely not impossible cuz Nick Diaz done it fuck times but people do it all the time now you know it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do now someone did a 979 times this guy whoa he does it monthly oh my God what a fucking psycho 979 times that is rolling the dice on sharks bro and what happens when you like Alcatraz is uh still operating no no okay no it wasn't operating oh it's like a tourist attraction right yeah when was a kid we went to visit it and with school they took when I lived in San Francisco they took us to alcatra field trip it was pretty cool you get to be in these prisons where all these people used to get it's very weird why did it shut down I don't know it's a good question why' they shut Alat down maybe when they figured out people could swim it that would be good reason yeah I mean it's not unable it's got to take a long time though like how in a mile and a half in the ocean how long does that take some people think it was because those guys got away but it was because it was too expensive to continue operate that makes sense right you got to get all the supplies and out there by boat by ferry I don't even think they had that many prisoners there H like you know but they had like super Dangerous Ones there right wasn't that the whole idea it was all murderers I think it was like a like super maximum security like for the biggest psychos they put them on alcatra yeah what was that movie I think Sean connory movie as well Rock yeah yeah that's about that right yeah I think yeah yeah I think that was about it too yeah but you know guys who have extreme cardio like that that's a real weapon like guy like power is important in the well it's always important but cardio is one of the most important things because you just when you get tired you don't think right you don't have you don't make good decisions and then you also you you just you're just not as effective you're you're not going to scramble out of positions you're going to relax a little try to catch your breath like if you get taken down you're not going to like completely exert Chuck Lidell said this to me once he said when guys get taken down they accept the takedown and the thing is they get taken down and then they try to work their way back up to their feet he goes I never did that when I got taken down the moment my back touched the ground it was like hot lava and I just exploded immediately I never let them hold me and that was the key to never getting taken down and held down is that the moment he's a really good wrestler as well obviously but the moment someone would take him down he would never accept it he would just some guys accept it like fuck I got to take it down all right you know overhook underhook you know like control posture work my full guard try to get back up try to buy time where I have enough energy to escape and figure out am I going to try to sweep him am I going to you know am I going to try to Pummel and and try to get back up to my feet am I GNA try to scoot back to the cage bunch of different strategies to try to get back up but the thing is like when you're tired you'll accept that takedown yeah and when you see guys accept the takedown and just pull full guard like that guy's fucking tired you know it was like the recent uh Ola fight it was like tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like oh it's you know you're on the ground now and you're fucked yeah yeah well that fight was crazy huh yeah Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round almost had him I mean what a Relentless motherfucker that guy is yeah man he's getting his ass kick for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up yeah yeah it's uh crazy when it comes down to like you know do or die mode how many times it almost turns around MH well it's also crazy that a guy like him who is pretty heavily muscled and is just such a fucking training machine that he has that ultimate gas tank even in the fifth round just explode like in the fifth round he was going hard which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Connor yeah he almost seems like a better cardio like Shawn Sher or something right well sha Sherk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio did he I thought I thought he was so for the time okay he was a fitness fanatic like a conditioning fanatic but like so was um there's a few guys like Rich Franklin was like a fitness fanatic too like they dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning so they had this like ultimate gas tank m but like with Rich Franklin the problem was his skill level was never going to compete with Anderson Silva Anderson Silva was just a god at the time I mean in his prime and he was like 34 years old he was fucking Unstoppable he was athleticism differential between everyone and him was like obscene it was skill too it's like he had the ability to let punches get right here and he would just move his head slightly and then Pang crack you was you all your momentum is coming in and he would counter you and he was just so skillful and he was like a computer he would the first minute of the round first fight like first round of the fight you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of he would see you swing like okay I got that okay I'll do a little of this I'll kick him a couple of times and then by the end of the round he's like okay motherfucker and then you'd see him like like the yo comedy fight is a great example that by the end of the first round he head kicks Okami and drops him he just starts tuning him up he just he gets he gets what you can do he's like you can't do what I do and then he just starts turning it on yeah some of those fights back in the day just felt like a taking time bomb for whoever he was facing yeah people forget the thing about Fighters when they fight past their Prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their their later fights you don't remember them when they were Unstoppable like when Anderson was in his prime he's one of the greatest Fighters that's ever lived oh yeah for sure have you seen that uh UFC interview where they like accidentally showed I think it was like HGH in the background he opened his fridge what are you eating oh I'm eating growth yeah he's popped for some dumb shit too if I recall correctly well did you ever see his uh coach his weightlifting coach probably when I was looking into it but I'm assuming he yolked 65 years years old and built like yel Romero oh my God see if you can find Anderson Silva's uh strength and conditioning coach I mean there was no way there's just no way that guy knows what to take yeah there's no way there's no he was in his 60s fucking jacked I mean just super jacked like that's him oh Jesus yeah look at Anderson's face it's a perfect picture I mean look at that dude that dude's in his 60s mean mugging yeah tainted supplements likely cause a failed test not what's in my fridge look at this look at the size of that guy in his 60s so obviously he knows what to take yeah that guy knows some stuff so Chandler you said good match for Connor is that ever happening or I don't know if Connor is ever going to fight again what's happening with his uh he just got like the civil suit yeah or what ever and he's being dropped by all his companies or something yeah um you know I don't know the real details of that case I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court but the the reality is that guy's partying and he's partying real hard and he talked about it in the in the court case you know he's talking about cocaine like there that was the whole thing we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking dude some of his interviews you can tell he is out of it allegedly he seems at least excited dude have you seen the Jake jayen Hall and Connor interview for roadh house and he's just fucking tweaking the whole time he seems like he's TW Jake's just like I can't I can't imagine he wasn't thinking what are you doing dude right yeah right you know was funny Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conor McGregor in roadh house he goes Conor McGregor basically played a coked out Conor McGregor in Roadhouse and Shane does like a Conor impression so it's fucking hilarious like a I mean he's he likes Coke oh yeah but I think there's another issue to talk about and that is that um a lot of Fighters when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career and there's no way to not get that right I mean we all we've all seen Connor get beat up and knocked out we've seen Conor's uh sparring footage he spars pro boxers he's sparring Elite Fighters you're getting hit in the head a lot and a lot of Fighters especially towards the end of their career turn to drugs and I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in where their dopamine levels are all fucked up their their cortisol levels are all fucked up their their body's just you're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year it's just not supposed to happen and that's the reality of consistent training so if you think about consistent training like say you and me are sparring and we meet meet at the gym uh three times a week and we Spar three times a week and let's say we Spar five rounds three times a week five rounds of five minutes each we might you might hit me 15 20 times a round and then we're doing that three times a week and we're doing that over and over and over again and it's not even this is a thing people say oh you Spar light sure sure sparring light is important but subconcussive trauma to the Head is what causes soccer players to get CTE now soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball I've bounced a soccer ball I played soccer when I was a kid that doesn't hurt but that that thump that's giving you CTE people who ride jet skis get CTE wow do you know that I didn't my friend Mark Gordon who is an expert in traumatic brain injury and he um works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation I think he works with them but he work oh uh angel warrior found Foundation he works with uh a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland your endocrine system gets fucked up from you know breaches you know explosions blown up and IEDs all those kind of things like those guys are fucked like the inside of their brain is fucked and there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that but the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out it's just getting thumped a lot just thumped in train so if we're sparring you know we're friends if we were sparring I wouldn't hit you hard I'd hit you like that I wouldn't I wouldn't try to kill you I hit you like that but that over and over again you're gonna get brain damage fact no if ANS or butts about it you're going to get brain damage and if you're doing that over the course of a 10 15-year career think about all those camps all those rounds all those times you sparred and not just Spar that way how many collisions I've been how many times I've been collided with doing Jiu-Jitsu you accidentally butt heads you accidentally take a knee to the head you accidentally take an elbow to the head it's constant so you've got consistent trauma to your fucking Dome over and over and over again and then you get a little bit of coke little bit of coke and you feeling good again I I bet I bet you know you get addicted to it and the obviously likes extreme things right which is why he's such a great fighter they're wild people it's why Jon Jones Like Cocaine too they're fucking wild people they want to fight you know they want to fight in a cage for a living that's how they literally feed themselves by beating the fuck out of skilled people yeah I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a Perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve like Baseline even to feel normal there's a drug I didn't mention earlier but it's worth mentioning you said what's not being tested for that's useful in Fighters something called cerebral Len is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by W yet and how does it work uh it's like one of the only sources of active ngf and bdnf that you can actually get an effect out of seemingly so like brain drived uh forget what the NF sents were but it's something that could be um basically uh grow new brain cells essentially whoa yeah or offset deterioration as well during after fighting why would you not let people take that that seems like that should be standard that should be given to everybody like vitamins yeah yeah it's uh the pipeline of it getting through a clinical like getting a clinical application it's still in experimental phases so I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition and for all we know it's not going to prove to be super effective but at least anecdotally from people I know who've used it highly effective for neurogenesis yeah what what about somebody who doesn't have brain damage just wants to get really smart yeah yeah tough call I think that might work right yeah a lot of people even nowadays are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider too so it might even become you know an adjunct kind of like preventative therapy right yeah sure and it's like sometimes not even purposefully that you're doing things that make you stupider it's just like like what kind of things would you describe I don't know like if you have kids you're never getting good sleep or you're uh somebody who's constantly on stimulant which you could argue is you know bad lifestyle or whatever but you know there's certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just Aging in general have you seen the studies on Creatine and performance with uh sleep deprivation very interesting another thing that not being tested for which I don't think it should be but like creatine at adequate doses interestingly for years we've all been told take your five grams and you're good but what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be WID spread the optimal one for every single person you will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full sweet of benefits depending on your genetics how much you weigh muscle mass metabolism so five grams for 140 lb person versus a 240 yeah so like some Studies have found uh increased benefits up to like 20 G a day whoa yeah and if your GI can tolerate it like could be worth trying to see if you get an effect out of you know 10 gr and then Elevate from there do you take it oh yeah I taken gummy form that's hard to get an adequate dose though how is that why well how many gummies do you need to take to get five I take six it says take three i' take six well let's let's see what the dose is go to uh try create yeah I take those two it's 1.5 per gummy I think okay so I'm taking seven eight so some of the most recent studies are in like elderly women taking 20 grams W I'll start doing that start with like 10 see if you're tolerates I have no problem with creatine it used to I used to think it made my face fat but I think I was just eating too much one of the problems with gummies is often times they're less likely to meet label claims so oh really I don't know if that's like a third party rigorously tested product or not butting something to be cautious of right and then there's two types right there's creatine monohydrate and then there's another the create what is the other one there's different formats but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to um HCL instead of monohydrate which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate thought to be you know water solubility and other things but in general monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it is tried and true it's cheaper easier to access isn't there some other stuff H something that you take in combination with betane HCL maybe hmn what the hell hmb hmb yeah that's it that's it what is that that's uh I believe a metabolite of Lucine which is like very uh basically stimulates mtor so could be useful for I think people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mtor for adequate muscle protein synthesis so like I don't know older people who don't get enough protein for example right it has shown efficacy it's just the situations and contextually where it is the most effective is going to be somebody who is not eating enough protein but it's like how many people are eating enough protein as well right yeah know it's some Studies have found that you know upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be beneficial and most people aren't getting that so my diet is almost entirely protein yeah yeah my diet is mostly it's pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein you're just eating meat and like animal Drive sources and then even harder if you're a vegetarian too if you're just eating meat and animal derived sources it's hard for I think for a lot of people to get high quality just like if you're going to eat over I don't know a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day like you could hit your needs pretty easily oh I do that easy yeah but that's not like a typical person I would say that's most most of my meals are meat okay like my breakfast today I ate like a pound of elk yeah that was my breakfast so what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday so I'll take out of my freezer I take a bunch of elk steaks and uh I put them on the Trager um I slow cook them at like 265° until I get them to the proper internal temperature and then I sear them I cut them up and then I put them in like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator and then I pull it out whenever I want to eat so you have how much meat per day multiple pounds multiple cooked weight yeah yeah yeah wow yeah I probably at least 3 lbs of meat A Day H yeah yeah you might be getting I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent to five grams but you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more I do take those gummies like I said I take six of those a day but maybe I'm I get the powder bro I'm going to take 20 gummies see what happens we see what happens half your calories gummies and rest meat yeah let's see what's up they don't seem to make you uh they don't they don't upset my stomach at all it makes you wonder if there's actually creatine in it then wow I've never had uh upset stomach from creatine I've taken in the past but I'm taking it now more consistently than I've ever taken it before cuz with the gummies it's so easy I keep it in the gym I just bust it open yeah eat some of them yeah yeah it's they taste good too one of the most slept on supplements for sure I think it kind of got a I don't know like not as much attention as it deserves maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot but it's like super useful for a myriad of things what is the mechanism for it giving you a cognitive uh enhancing benefit I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain so some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP and if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphor creatine then you could basically get it to Baseline of where it should be it makes you wonder like people that are on a vegan diet like what what are their creatine levels like oh not good enough for sure there's no way right oh it's impossible even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat you might think you're good but unless you're eating multiple pounds a day it's unlikely that you've saturated stores well that's like one of the more Insidious things about these people that are prizers who was trying to get people to become vegan and they'll one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic performance which is like straight horseshit like I don't know of any Elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan do you no I know some ifbb pros who are vegan but they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires like special protein supplements and this and that and amount of steroids yeah a lot of them are dope too yeah that helps yeah there are definitely successful uh like people who Thrive I think doing vegan diets but often times it is more meticulous in the planning needed to like actually make it so you could thrive on it as opposed to like if you're eating enough red meat and what not like you sort of you can be stupid and still cover your bases essentially right yeah so the difference between uh one thing is like if someone say well a pound of broccoli will equal you know x amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein that's but it's not the same bioavailability yeah like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic so like some vegans I would assume might actually benefit from supplementing with like essential amino acids on top of their meal just cuz they're not hitting a loosing threshold right so and that's where like an hmb also could maybe be have use as well and is creatine is it sourced in a vegan way or is is any of it derived from animal sources that's a good question I'm not sure but if you can make testosterone from soy right I think you could probably get pretty crazy what they can synthesize oh dude yeah you would never think that's where you get it from right yeah well it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create like all the stuff that we have available right now yeah like some dude like took a fucking yam and was like hey these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we like make in our balls like let's tweak it and like make it let's sell it to people as testosterone yeah I don't even know and it works yeah that's what's nuts it's like super effective yeah yeah it's very strange that it's also kind of derided that like people like look down upon it like why would you look down upon anything especially as you're an older person why would you look down upon anything it's going to make you feel better yeah no I think uh more awareness is coming to it but also in women for HRT which is you could argue even more of a necessity than at least with men a lot can maintain residual hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health longterm but with women once you hit menopause like you are guaranteed to have like a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones wow yeah so it's almost like I don't know like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago on that's the thing for for women there was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement yeah yeah it's uh I think it was the Women's Health Initiative they had some study that showed like relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible insignificant amount and they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical so it' be like the equivalent of me putting you on Deca and then being like oh well you got cancer so testosterone sucks right which is fucking ridiculous so they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shitty progest and determining oh HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out and the upside far outweighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now it's just not really permeated the uh I don't know like masses yet well think about how many fucking people on testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it I know so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better they have so much more energy more life yeah yeah it's uh super impactful and for for women too like no more hot flashes while you're sleeping your bones aren't going to degrade at the same rate like your brain is not like Alzheimer's rates in women are like twox that of men and it's really of all it's definitely intertwined with menla shutting off their hormones wow yeah there's so much shit information out there that's what's fucked when you hear about studies that like you know when when the sugar industry fund did those studies to demonize saturated fat because they were trying to say the saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar when you see about and I think they only paid them like $50,000 or something crazy so 1960s you know don't know that well I didn't know it was 50 Grand I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's like that's fucked up $50,000 and it ruined everybody not that if it was a bigger amount of money it would be fine but I mean it's just sense if they paid him 50 million You' be like well you know you're unethical but hey if somebody offered me 50 million who knows what I would do no $50,000 and these motherfuckers ruined people for decades and wanted a Porsche and just ruined like the fucking yeah food pyramid well it's like they've they' here it is yep there it is 50 years ago sugar industry quietly paid scientist they wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research so he's even less than $50,000 so it's $50,000 today so 50 years ago that's probably 10 grand yeah they paid them 10 grand and these motherfuckers ruined everyone's Health yeah got people taking margarine Brut being scared of butter and eggs and and meat damn dude crazy yeah so your diet is just meat yeah mostly what about fruit I eat fruit yeah yeah I love fruit CU you've been like cycling back and forth between I I like fruit before I work out I like fruit after I workout sometimes you know I like fruit but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to yeah like if some asparagus and it's looking good I'll have some asparagus you know what I mean like if I see some brussel sprouts I eat it for Taste sort of like I think of it like pasta except not as bad for you I think of it was like oh that would probably taste good i' like to eat some of that I don't think of it as like this is like nutrition and fuel yeah so when I when I eat for nutrition and fuel it's eggs and steak Yeah that's 90 plus% of my diet have you been following the uh boxing gold medal debacle with that like first of all XY chromosone case closed yeah if you have a fucking and this is what the enhanced game wants to do so the enhanced games you know they're developing this Olympic style event and they're they're spending a lot of money on it they have a lot of big investors and they're going to give real prizes like a million dollars if you win the gold medal instead of zero which is what the Olympics gives and I asked them I'm like how are you gonna address like trans athletes and they said we think we're gonna do chromosomes but yeah yeah which is really the only way to do it politically correct yeah you know you don't say this is not a woman you say what what are your chromosome weget ma'am what are you chromosones XY ma'am you got to be in the XY box go over there but I identify as a woman get over there get over there apparently they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the '90s I believe they stopped doing it and then since then it's been like these weird Nuance scenarios with oh is your testosterone level looking male or whatever and you know it's uh it gets nuanced with the type of like disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others and if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true it's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have cuz it's basically like a Alpha reductase deficiency is basically just depriving your body of DHT but if you have internal testes making testosterone you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone and all the psychoactive effects and all that so yeah lung size heart size now to be determined which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true or if it wasn't true but they would have already done that yeah where smoke there's fire you know I just I think if too many people are calling you a man like there's this one case of uh there was that Runner who castania right so that's a very different thing no that was like potentially the same thing really yeah so XY chromosome uh had internal testes XY chromosomes five Alpha reductase deficiency and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes oh Jes and you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT so it's almost like the equivalent to putting a kid at Birth on like a mega do of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT oh wow so they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone but no mascul not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT well let's see uh what is uh the the latest on this so let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and uh find out like like has anybody analyzed this is there any like conclusion that anybody's drawn or I don't think so I think it's still is the leaked report legit or not and story I could find this is November 6th confirms o Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over Medical allg but this is just about the legal no no I was looking for any story about it having updated information this was the the most recent story was written then anything else was from October where it was saying that she was she's also saddened by the abuse she has received do you think they go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man he's saddened by the abuse that he's received it was the it was about the the claims that the they were stripped of their title or the gold medal that's well that's not true no they haven't been stripped so if they're suing over that that they they can actually win that lawsuit oh they're suing over something in the French media because they've gotten um and I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into you know the whole politically correct angle of it too to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head of course of course yeah yeah she'd never fa a punch like this yeah so what have all sports too fucking fighting people yeah it's pretty crazy but so what is the leaked report Jamie find out what the leaked report excuse me the leaked report of this person is that's what that's what this has to do with I think I understand what it has to do with it but find out what the actual leak report is like what is the leak report um oh Jesus I think it was the uh basically assessment of internal testicle yeah okay French journalist but it's been there's been multiple studies or multiple uh articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes that was uh a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that yeah international boxing Association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility test but the international Olympic Committee did authorize her Presence at Paris 2024 but here's the thing like is this when when they say the international Olympic Committee did authorize what do they by what yeah this is the crazy thing is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport oh but it's like you know if you look female at Birth you easily could if you have this disorder so didn't Dylan moany change their passport to a female oh probably I don't know did they find out can you change your passport to female if you're transgender I think you can I I don't know if Dylan mulany did it that's a low barrier too like you just have like a fucking ID piece that says you're female therefore we're going to ignore testies yeah like what the fuck the whole thing is so crazy this this is one of the weirder aspect and the reason why people harp on it so much why is everybody so obsessed with trans because this is why because it's bizarre no medical documentation you do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker so this is for on US Passport you can select M for male f for female or X for unspecified or another gender identity so you can have X on your passport I think I'm going to get that uh so no medical documentary so I could be a female I could just say I'm a female show up with a full beard genetic marker you select does need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID see the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you I don't know how you feel I I'm I could be arrogant and completely not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit you're a guy or you could be in agony going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a DI I think there's that too but like I talked about in my comedy special perverts disappeared like the flu during covid like they don't exist anymore like a guy in a dress who gets a heart on going into the women's room is a woman now they used to be psychos it used to be like Norman Bates in the movie Psycho dressed up like his mom Silence of the Lambs it puts the lotion in the basket it was it was like there if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier you put them in a dress yeah he took a psycho killer you made him dress like a woman like oh this guy's fucking crazy and then somewhere we just decided that doesn't exist anymore and so there's no perverts and so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room go in the women's Locker playing women's sports and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people creepy guys who dress up like women who pretend to be women are just perverts they just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit there's people that are out of their mind and you've given them a hall pass yeah yeah like I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then would became aware of it and then once they became aware of it they stopped competing it would suck yes for everyone involved obviously but like I could understand like how shitty of a predicament that is yes but it's like the onus is on you once you've been assessed to compete anymore and to like confirm what the fuck is going on yeah go fight guys yeah and it's like even if you're at a disadvantage like well it doesn't mean you fight girls at your advantage exactly yeah if you were a disadvantage fighting guys you probably shouldn't be fighting yeah like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men zero well also here's the other argument there is a spectrum right so there are guys with naturally lower testosterone than a guys like say yel Romero yel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody you know when it comes to like genetics he's just like a fucking specimen from God right so you have that which is the rarest of rare right and then you have a guy like you know fill in the blank there's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC I don't want to disparage anybody but there's a bunch of guys you look at them you're like that's not a specimen but super tough super technical Works real hard very intelligent in their approach and they manag to fight really well but if they go up against a guy who's just a freak just a physical freak and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training they're going to have an advantage just a natural god-given Advantage just the universe has kissed them with genetics and those people exist man and so you can't say well then that guy should be able to fight women now because he can't beat yo rero like that's stupid yeah that's fucking stupid and it's also you're not protecting women I thought that the left was all about protecting women like this was the whole thing about progressives protect people that are like not as safe like I don't generally worry about women raping me never never in my life have I been in a bar go boy I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me I hope some woman doesn't try to roof me and get my dick hard and like no one ever thinks that way but women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an Alleyway they worry about that guys don't worry about that it's it's just a completely different Dynamic so when you're comparing like trans this and trans that like there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room yeah I don't give a fuck if like what's that person that was Chaz Bono Chaz Bono Sunny Bono's daughter that became a man mhm Chaz can come into the men's room I don't give a fuck it doesn't even freak me out at all if Chaz is in the men's room and I have a 2-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom go to the bathroom I'm not worried about Chaz Bono but I am worried about a pervert if I if I was a guy and um I uh had uh a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking 5:00 shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the men I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on I go I don't know that might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman that happens to have a beard or it could be a complete fucking psycho which are real things and by being this compassionate person I'm supposed to ignore the the reality of psychos yeah that's crazy yeah this is where it becomes like a cult like this is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all and if you do you're you're cast out of the Kingdom forever you're you're a heretic you're a terrible person yeah fucked up man it's uh I don't really know even the the scrutiny on it I don't really know how they don't acknowledge how absurd it is like so it's when you watch people defend it they have to do mental gymnastics yeah it just did you ever see the conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it no oh oh it was one of the most brutal conversations of all time is about trans women in sports and also this was like a debate uh well it didn't turn out to be it wasn't planned out it just it just came about because he was doing you know he's just we were talking about it and it got to the subject of trans women competing and his position was like I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive so if that makes it more inclusive for the transwoman and he was like in favor of hormone blockers for children that they they've always known that they're a woman like what the fuck are you you don't have any kids you don't know what kids are like you you could tell your kid that they're a werewolf like stay keep away from the full moon you're a werewolf oh I always knew like they're kids their brain's not formed and also they want to please you and if you're a fuck like how many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids how many people will they fly the flag of inclusivity and they're they're a proud Progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child how much of that is your influence is it 0% because I bet it's not I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that it's just like the the numbers are so extraordinary when you have parents that have three trans kids you're like what three what are the odds of that and you're nuts you're a Nutty actress and you have three trans kids what's going on here and you're not allowed to say it if you say anything you say oh this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have munchow syndrome you know like they they might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid like so they could fly it as a they could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person there are people like that and then there're also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want they want you to have complete freedom to express your I don't care if a guy wears a dress wear a dress man if that's what you like I don't care you want to paint your nails want to have lipstick on I don't give a fuck have a good time I want you to be happy I'll be your friend just don't try to compete against women in sports that's fucking nuts and don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the the women's locker room it's how about the guy in Canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a a a teenage girl was competing in like young girls swimming and they they allowed him cuz Canada like you know yeah you live there off the rails you live in a communist shit hole that place is nuts yeah and they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time they on taxpayer money in Canada they paid for a guy to develop breast milk do you know about this story no oh yeah has an adopted child paid for them paid for this person to lactate you imagine the toxic milk that's coming out of this man oh horrendous like what is in there like what are you generating you don't even have the glands for it like what's actually being secreted there what is that yeah it's like uh if you asked me would it be good milk quality from some guy on Tren or Deca and he's just fucking secreting shit out of his nipples I be like fuck no dude fuck no like what is happening what is in that milk and what is that going to do to the baby that's sucking on it and all in the name of inclusiv inclusivity all in the name of being a kind compassionate open-minded person that's not open-minded that's nuts and it's cowardly because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions you don't want to be called a transphobe whatever the fuck that means you don't want to be called a bigot you don't want to be called any of these things so you'll go along with some of the most Preposterous ideas including pretending that perverts don't exist yeah I hope uh I don't know if Pierre is going to get into winning the election and get Trudeau out but seems Seems like a reasonable guy well he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau who seems completely insane yeah and like candidly I'm not like a political expert by any fucking means at all so don't take anything I'm saying seriously apparently last time I was here people thought I was like by not saying anything about it I was like endorsing Trudeau or something not saying anything about it I don't know there was like comments about how like Derek knows better he knows who this prer guy is I'm like no I just don't follow this shit like I should probably yeah so but he yeah he seems uh reasonable and in contrast to Trudeau who's like a fucking full on sure fullon lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things including going after guns what they did with the trucker the trucker strike yeah like the Deb banking thing you guys talked about recently it's like not new news in Canada I know yeah well they did it to people who donated yeah to the trucker Convoy which is really crazy so you just say hey these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has you know a safety profile that's really like we don't really know yet we don't know there's no longterm studies we don't really know what's going to happen and you're just like mandating this why why why I don't have to do it why you making me do it it turned out you really didn't have to do it so this is what what's turned out now like um you know the was it the here I'll I'll send it to you Jamie so they released uh a study recently where the actual government went and looked over here I'll send you this so they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are they're you know not that shocking to anybody who's actually paying attention but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young and this or when you know Co was recent rather so covid-19 this is uh the house released a 500 page report on covid-19 pandemic key findings covid-19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan China crazy you get banned from YouTube for saying that banned okay over 00 billion in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting weak oversight prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates caused severe harm economic Devastation mental health crisises and historic learning loss while lacking robust scientific support policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science absolutely who and CDC compromised by political inter erence offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's Administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence Christ select subcommittee on P coronavirus pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct every single one of them no repercussions no retractions no apology from Rachel mattow none of it yeah man it's uh yeah in Canada the lockdowns were pretty absurd um I know here they were it depended on the state and whatever but yeah Canada was like get your vaccines you're not leaving to go anywhere basally yeah yeah crazy fucked up did you have to take it yeah dude fucking sucked did you have a side effect no well at least that I could tell and I've did you ever do a d dimer test yeah it's noral oh that's good well from what I understand I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of uh aspiration that they didn't aspirate when they uh injected people even when they did Biden on television they just jammed that thing into his arm and and shot it in there so is it supposed to stay like local or something and it's supposed the idea about it was it's supposed to stay local right it's supposed to stay local but apparently there's been if you talk to Brett Weinstein a bunch of other people there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body and the the issue though was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel oh so that could be the cause of myocarditis all these different neurological conditions all these different things so the lipid nanop particles and this vaccine gets in your system your body reacts to it like it's being attacked right well if it gets to the heart your heart doesn't heal right which is why your heart doesn't get cancer your heart scars like your liver heals your liver regenerates you could lose half your liver you know you can donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks yeah yeah the liver is resilient it's nuts but your heart's not like that so the heart scars over and it leads to you know enlargement of the heart myocarditis pericarditis so this is the thought this is what my friend told me who's a very intelligent person I don't want to name him but he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate and a significant number of people that are experiencing these long term issues from the vaccine it's because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular yeah there is a several times now cuz as especially if you're on trt you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day just as part as their gig and you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you like sometimes you feel like being like hey like can I do this right right but even then like if you jam it into your arm it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel yeah have you ever heard of Tren cough I have what is that yeah so it's thought to be that if you get into uh like you Nick a vein or something or you like hit a blood vessel for example and you get it some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely it goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit getting induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there W and so like I could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic like with Trend cough I've experienced it personally back in the day this is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Tren cof it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle bound dude who just injected yourself with like cattle steroids and you're just looking at yourself in the mirror hacking up along sweating your fucking face off like what am I doing with my life and you can't get around it other than just like cloth a l for 3 minutes it takes three minutes for it to go away it depends but like how much you have and all this a bunch of stuff but yeah it's like basically if it happens you can feel it coming on you just like fucking brace yourself on the sink and you get ready to hack up along for a few minutes Jesus and is it a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing like right after injection or is it something that Rec after injection but it's like you know who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking you know like whatever else is in your compound in your solution into systemic circulation immediately like I don't know what is Tren is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken including like Jiu-Jitsu guys that really want to get super jacked they take Tren and I'm like what is it about the trend and they apparently get like ultraviolent when they're on Trend yeah so it's a unique compound that was called Tren balone is that what is yeah and it used to be used in for like I forget what the clinical application was but it was a pharmaceutical approved steroid back in the 80s and then was you know basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that interestingly enough Biden was the one who spearheaded getting like steroids scheduled essentially Biden did yeah he was like at the Forefront of pushing for the Banning of them or schedu if I don't have muscles nobody has muscles yeah and that's like he's blamed Often by the bodybuilding Community for the lack of refinement and anabolic steroids cuz now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s wow so like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective less side effect ridden Etc like gp1 medications for example highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really really refined ones are less problematic and was steroids that was being done in the 80s and then once there was you know the Ben johnon debacle I believe it was yeah that brought all this you know public outcry proud Canadian yeah and getting test positive for Winstrol I think and people were like is this just going to become like a fucking like chemical warfare essentially in the Olympics and whoever's dope the most is going to win and people are freaking out and the response was Biden getting including testosterone scheduled wow yeah and then there was this huge stigma developed around them and the taboo of being on steroids was developed and that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them yeah so we could have like really refined highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if you just if they just continued probably well I know that one state I think it was Oregon essentially decriminalized everything I think they've taking that back now because I think it was like a Oregon's a disaster anyway Portland in particular like you go there's just needles and drug addicts and it's like open air drug Mars everywhere CU all the homelessness and the camping on the street the tent situation there is fucking nuts and they're super tolerant Progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts so when a society like that decriminalizes everything we just gonna fucking people are going to go Haywire with meth and and you know and whatever else they want to get but they also did it with steroids they did it with everything they essentially decriminalized all drugs H but I think they took did they take that back Jamie I would be curious even if it was decriminalized though what the access would be like cuz it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally which from what I understand is actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to like it getting better well they're scrutinizing peptides now which is yeah really crazy Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect making possession a crime again so is it of all things did they just change the law totally so a democratic control legislation passed the rec Criminal ization law in March overhauling a measure approved by 58% of Voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine the measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards Addiction Services but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fenel crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses in health officials grappling with the covid-19 pandemic we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system State Auditors found okay so they just couldn't keep up with what was they didn't follow through with the whole idea of these con addiction centers and rehabilitation centers yeah and like some of this stuff is like I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to begin with right you can't manufacture it still like if you if you're allowed to get cocain if you're allowed to possess cocaine you buying fenol a cocaine from the cartel like what do you yeah like in Canada it's not a I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids but to sell it and distribute it it is a crime and there's still no pharmacies that are making like pharmaceutical grade steroids that aren't testosterone could a pharmacy make it and give it away you some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person I don't think so probably not man right so if it's decriminalized and you're allowed to possess it are you allowed to make it no I think just like the process of Distributing Pro I don't even know but I know like oxandrin for example anavar was recently like banned entirely and it's been allowed to be prescribed for certain like hyp specific Niche purposes for decades it's been around since the 80s and it's banned in America as well yeah like recently uh it was added to like uh it it was basically dapovar I but you can still get the covid-19 vaccine yeah easily they'll still tell you to get it yeah they try to give it to kids yeah fcked up man yeah but um it's crazy because like how many people are dying from anavar not many yeah like what's the numbers it's like what is it like Brazil net deaths you know what I mean uh it's definitely not the safe a safe drug but I mean like it's you know when it's used appropriately it can be fine right yeah but there's not a crisis no no yeah that's the thing it's like why are you passing laws when there's not an issue yeah I don't I don't know what the effect of RFK will be but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in like a positive direction to that stuff he looks a little Saucy oh for sure he's 70 he I think he admitted that he's on trt yeah clearly I mean if you you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally yeah yeah so that's good and he also is open to the idea of uh changing the classification of psychedelics as well which I think is going to be really important to people there there's a lot of things that morons are preventing Society from using and that's really all it is people who are ignorant to the effects ignorance to the ri they're ignorant to all of it and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies yeah I definitely think psychedelics have utility one thing I do see that freaks me out though is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with like heavy iasa exposure or whatever oh yeah like have you seen uh I've seen multiple cases of this on social media as well as in real life people have gone like Retreats and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave and not in a good way like like weirdos yeah oh yeah I know a few yeah like have you seen a liver King recently no what's going on he seems like I don't know like borderline schizophrenic now okay but is that also I think he was mentally ill right maybe I would listen let me just classify my definition of mental illness is someone who lies I think it's a mental illness I think lying when it's really obvious yeah like you know if I try to tell people I'm 6'3 that's an obvious lie if I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler that's crazy you have to be a crazy person that's a mental illness if you lie and say you're black and you're actually white and you like work for the NAACP like the Rachel Doo lady kind of mentally ill right yeah that's mental that's a mental ill there's something wrong you're not like you're not thinking clear and you're doing a thing we generally like universally say is a bad thing which is lying right so if you're doing that you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids you're 46 years old you look like a fucking superhero you're right just super jacked yeah you know and then gets caught okay so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine you've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really really famous really quickly over the course of a few years like social media all over Tik Tok your profile is elevated to the point where you could say to the regular person's treat you know who liver King is like oh yeah that royed up guy everybody knows who he is then the hate because your Labs come out and finds out he's on a shitload of things this guy's juice to the tits obviously for a guy like you or a guy like me we look at a guy like that like you've got to be on the juice you don't even look remotely normal see everyone says that though too but a lot of people believe them well a lot of people are just ignorant right the people that knew like yourself 100% you knew that that guy was on steroids right so then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate now I don't this dude I don't know what this dude does in terms of like social media if he reads comments but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got your YouTube the comments are filled with people who hate you yeah filled with it and you're just like sitting there steing your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions and your your your brain probably gets overrun by stress yeah yeah yeah for sure it's uh I I don't even know for for him specifically either if he did psychedelics or not I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly but it was just like some of the videos were really odd and it kind of reflected Behavior I've seen of people who had like experiences gone arai but certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly well I think it's depends on if it's done properly to who yeah like your Baseline State and like what what you're yeah I think there's people like this is the argument that Alex Baron said had when he wrote that book you know he used to write for the New York Times he wrote a book called tell your children and it's all his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody right it's safe for a lot of people I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time they don't have any problems but I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic from marijuana now is it they were going schizophrenic anyway and then these high does marijuana experiences were the Tipping Point we don't really know but we do know there's a correlation and I've seen it I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal and then all of a sudden they start talking talking to you about like you know like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is going to have them be the king of Mars and like people lose their shit man and they they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible to see especially to someone that you care about it's really fucking weird kills your REM sleep too marijuana does yeah well if you're using it like to sleep it can reduce sleep latency but significantly harms REM sleep so you might not be getting quality sleep every night which exacerbates the effect it definitely fucks with your dreams yeah you know how I know this sober October when uh we do sober October like immediately have these wild dreams like super vivid dreams I'm like where have these things been so like for the whole month just crazy do you track the Sleep metrics when you're doing sober October reverse no I was doing it for a while with whoop I was like checking my recovery I wasn't that I'm basically a feel person like how do I feel I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel and if I feel well rested if I got 8 hours sleep and I feel well rested I'm not even going to check my I don't care I feel great let's go let's go I just like I think so much of it is mental you know so much of is like the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health you know that's where your energy generally comes from yeah the stress of tracking can sometimes like defeat the purpose as well for some people I think it's also you know I've heard people talk about like addiction you know like how many people are addicted to their phones most of us right um there's an addiction to checking like Health metrics there's and there's also an addiction like competing but I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits so I was like what is addiction okay if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food okay that's a detrimental addiction but if you're addicted to excise size and you're super fit because of it you're you're going to live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great is that really an addiction I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing we're talking about the same kind of pattern but like I've been addicted to a lot of things I've been addicted to martial arts for sure like if I don't I would be like out in public and if people if people were boring to me I'd be thinking of combinations I'd be like talking to them but i' be I wasn't thinking about what they were saying I was thinking about how would hit them I'd think about like if they step like this then I go like that but what if I step here I would like working out footwork and I would do it in my head cuz I was an addict but I was addicted to something that was very positive yeah no it's uh you need somewhere to attribute your I don't know dopamine too I guess so if it's positive it's like probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff so well you can't break yourself down with overtraining you know I would say that my my good friend David gogins is broking his body down with overtraining and he's he's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles he's a complete psychopath he must be in agony like every step he takes and he does not give a fuck he just keeps going it's really crazy to see his doctor looked at his knees and said this is from him directly he said I don't know how you could walk on these knees forget about run thousands of miles yeah they had to cut his his knee because it's bone on bone his bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like it's like some I forget what it's called something wolf syndrome something so they had to cut his leg cut his fucking tibbia bone and shift it down so that it's flat so you could run flat bone on bone that's fucked dude it's Madness yeah what's even more madness is the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing Sur that's crazy do you do we find that one guy was like 6'2 who did it dude I'm doing a podcast with him in two days what is it called I got my knees done is that what he he took his page down though didn't he yeah I think he was off social media for a while and um I I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year and then it didn't end up working out and he's available into the idea still so that's well is he fully healed now he went from 6 foot to 6'6 Jesus Christ look at the size of him and this is him Wheeling himself around and he was a massive guy too like look at the size of his fucking arms yeah the guy is like a genetic freak for muscle for sure and let's become taller they're cranking their legs this is nuts so basically they go in and shove these rods into your legs either in the tibia or the femur or you can do both if you want to max out and you can basically would just stretch it to create a separation between the bone which then fills in with new bone over time and this is him seven months after the lengthening process I want to see what your legs look like dude why I got sweatpants on see what those little toothpicks look like yeah so this guy went from like nuts I don't know what his original height was but he's 6 feet now and he was like I think 5'6 or 5'7 when he started wow that's crazy so I have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now are you ever going to be able to squat again you know like what's life like now what was the surgery process Rehabilitation what are your mechanics you have to change you have to learn how to fucking do everything the distance between your shin like your kneecap and your foot if that changes dramatically like your whole timing is different you have more a different Leverage The everything's different what does it do to your hips yeah you know are you gonna wear your hips out earlier like your body's probably like has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now yeah and this guy too he's a unique phenomenon even among the people doing this crazy surgery because he got the full 6 in which is not necessarily typical having both uh bones broken to do it and then maxing it out at the weight he's at too so he has to support the recovery unlike a I can imagine seemingly like 300 plus frame or something Jesus Christ like a lot of people who get it done are like 5 trying to become like five weigh 150 yeah and it's like more it's still probably fucking insane regardless it's insane yeah but it's just you're only stretching one bone right yeah I have to are they doing the tibia as well it you pick so the tibia and the fibula rather you doing both of them femur or tibia or femur yeah yeah I I could be misspeaking but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other and both yeah oh Jesus he had both done like maxed it Jesus yeah so he's uh what is the recovery like ex yeah good question so so this is this guy after how long a couple weeks after he's chowing how he can jump which is not much a couple weeks after he gets his surgery done no no no after he gets the bars pull off this is all it's like week by week I think jumping after height surgery oh look how skinny his legs are so he's pretty skinny so this is him in the beginning he's trying to do it I would be terrified do that see I would be my curiosity is how athletic were they prior and then what is their maximal like what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their Baseline cuz yeah you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional but his legs that's so crazy yeah so they like stick a rod in it and micro I think like a year probably or I don't know month so for a year you're walking around with these like iron Shin plates yeah yeah it's pretty nuts dude getting all the bitches now yeah looking all sexy and Tall now there was one guy Jamie that you pulled up before who had it done and they they showed him doing some uh athlet athletic drills like cone drills and coordination drills and he looked fucking great he looked like a real athlete even though he got it done it didn't look like it was unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it I would like to know like did you have a decrease like could you would you I mean you obviously look insane right now but would you used to be able to be able to do yeah some of the stuff I'm curious about too is like how much of the content you see online is like sponsored versus actual like user content just reviewing their experience cuz you could see like for example hair transplants tons of people get sent like fully paid to go get a transplant done as as long as they speak positively about it and whatever so imagine a guy who's getting like specialized attention which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken and you're getting it covered or whatever and you just to make sure you talk about it positively right how much of that content is like legit versus you know somewhat manufactured that's a very good point yeah that's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things yeah you would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for hide increasing surgery I can't walk right I'm in pain all the time I can't run anymore you'd become the case study for like why to not do it yeah yeah I wonder I mean I wonder like what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics I really do I would imagine for martial arts like you know where everything is like I like if I'm throwing a kick I know exactly where my shin is going to land from the that I'm at like I've got like this mind my mind is coordinated for this short body I know exactly how much distance I have to cover if all of a sudden you add six inches to that oh yeah you're all you're everything is weird dude even G even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong like for example when I was in high school I played basketball and I started working out in grade 11 and gained like 50 lbs in a year and my three-pointer that used to be just like just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball like it was you know just second nature to because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever and then all of a sudden you add this extra Force production that you're not accounting for PR all of a sudden everything's thrown off oh and also you're sore all the time CU you're always lifting which makes you tight yeah it became a brick house after that it's a giant problem with pool you know cuz I'm addicted to playing pool when I lift weight and then play pool it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good like everything's off it's like my arm's not listening right it's all stiff like for pool you want to like when I'm playing really well I'm barely holding on to that queue it's like I'm almost letting the queue do all the work it's like a very gentle thing but then when I've been like I do like a heavy kettle bell session and then I try to play pool it's like everything's just tight and Goofy and clunky and you don't you don't feel it like pool is like a feel game like you're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position like literally you're within one or two rotations correctly yeah and that's the the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not yeah like so it's all feel like these guy like Fedor gor who's like one of the best players in the world he he changed Q's he changed Q companies M the same weight the same like taper the same tip millimeter and he said his shot was about 10% off he goes 6 to 10% off I was like what yeah like how he's like you just it's off it takes a while to recalibrate yeah this is one of those examples where like you know in MMA too like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even like it's not necessarily beneficial your Mobility could be inhibited flexibility gas out quicker even in B BJJ it's like like and you can sauce to the tits but like it might not be helpful to the capacity you can actually push it right you know you might gas out quicker all of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do I think the key is moderation and lifting in regard to uh unless you're on the sauce you know if you're doing anything like uh MMA or any skill-based thing because as soon as you're tight and sore you're not going to learn well you're you're you're you're not going to have a snap to your punches you'll be pushing punches you know there's there's a fluidity like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless cuz there's a fluidity to the like if you're Landing a kick for example like a hard kick like a spinning back kick like what Jon Jones knocked out stpe mioi with there's a there's a dance going on with your nervous system with all your muscles moving in coordination have you think of how complex that movement is right he's standing like this sideways and he's looking for the and at the right moment he pivots on the ball of his foot turns his heel towards the person rotates his entire body this way and shoves his leg forward pushing off his back leg with all of his weight and there's a timing you don't want to hit him here and you don't want to hit him at the end of it you want to hit him right in the sweet spot so you got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his rib cage in order for you to get Max maximum force and it's all happening in a fraction of a second it's and when it lands it's like getting hit by a fucking car and if you T but it's a dance and if you here here you see him do this look at this fucking dance man watch this look at that term boom I mean it's Perfection I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this it would be you know you for sure given this is like your signature right oh that's my specialty kick yeah that's uh yeah it's not that is everyone is impressed by it but like I knew you would see it as like I was so hyped up for it because I I always wondered why more people don't throw it and that's also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin gatei at the end of the first round he fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face which is a crazy kick to take the mug sick fight but that it's but you know Stipe is one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the Earth for him to go down like that look at the force look at the force boom I mean your whole his rib went in like look how deep it goes in on impact look how fucking deep his heel is into look at that that's insane that's like the body equivalent of that Tony Ferguson picture right right the one when he gets front kicked in the face yeah un that mean that is incredible amount of penetration look at that I mean all of his organs just went into shock right there and if he was on the other side it would be even more devastating cuz that's not even the side where the liver is that's just general organ trauma you know and he just can't take it he just goes down and then that's wrap so what happens when aspinal fights Jon Jones I gotta hope they fight I want to know it's got to happen right here's a question with Aspen what happens with Aspen in the second round like oh I guess you want to talk about a guy who Sprints yeah you want to talk about a guy was fast twitch Aspen is one of the fastest heavyweights he might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport I don't think anybody moves like that guy does at a at a 250 plus pound frame his movement is fucking extraordinary and that's something you have to deal with like that is a crazy ability like his ability to move like the way he moves is so much different than everybody else in the sport like P Google let's let's come up with a good Aspen all fight uh how about the Curtis blades fight was pretty quick but how about the last one with the pavage fight where he won the interim title that's a good one a minute I got vov was three minutes yeah all of his fights like all together he's fought like 10 minutes everybody gets blown out quick yeah but let's let's watch one of them like the the the only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick which is crazy he didn't even get hit he threw a round kick and his ACL exploded so let's see uh Marine Tabor that's a good one he's so fucking fast dude the Andre alosi fight you can see him that's pretty fast too put the Tor one it's the left left hand side go above that above that to the left right there click on that no but it's going to be a small I can't control this that's fine that's fine I just wanted to show his movement look how fast he moves in I mean that guy's so fucking fast he moves like 175 pounder he doesn't move like a 250lb guy look how quickly he Clos is the distance man his hand speed and full range of skills incredible standup knocks guys out with one punch black belt and jiujitsu really good wrestler his everything and he's young so what's your prediction if it happens it's you it's hard to bet against Jon it's hard to bet against Jon but Jon's not a real heavyweight Jon could make light heavyweight 100% he weights 230 right now maybe a little less than 230 M there's no doubt in my mind that if JN just changed his diet and went back he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is Out Of Reach no it's uh fluffy weight a lot of it too yeah I look he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winkle John always everybody said like when Brendan went down and trained with him Brendan was a heavyweight Brendon sha he's like he fucked me up he goes dude I was like top 10 in the world as a heavyweight I thought it was the shit he fucked me up he goes he beat my ass and he goes he beat everybody else's ass too all the other heavyweights raged all dudes way bigger than him he's just a freak his wingspan is like how much longer than his height though too it's like yeah it's insane crazy reach and also just skillful his skills are so rocksolid in every way shape or form his standup his submissions he's crazy strong he's got just an insane mind for fighting and would he blow out Pereira you think where it's not even a worthwhile the problem is the ground John's so much better on the ground like world's better you know and it takes so long to get really good on the ground and we've seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near Jon's level nowhere near JN dominates everybody he took down Daniel Cormier Daniel Cormier is an Olympic wrestler I mean he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler and John took him down and took him down multiple times he's a different dude man yeah this is what we're talking about like with genetics right there's some guys they're just blessed and then with John it's blessed and his mind it's not just it's his personality his like ruthless competitiveness he's like he's not going to fucking lose he's going to find a way to get you and he's going to do it clever he's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and standing bang he's not going to point the center of the Octagon let's go right here we stand right here never going to happen with Jon Jones you're not getting none of that son you're getting knees to the gut you're getting knees kicked you're getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking head's bleeding he's going to slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you beat you to death on the ground but can he do that with a guy like Aspen who's a legit 255b natural who moves like he's 80 PBS lighter he's a freak man yeah Aspen is a freak like I've seen a lot of heavyweight even Francis who's like the greatest scariest power Striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division no one scarier than Francis Francis does not move like Tom Aspen Tom aspel is significantly faster than every other heavyweight that's a real problem that's a real problem but John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander gustofson guys who are really fast at light heavyweight so the speed is not going to be as much of an adjustment like Jon's used to really fast people he fought leoto Macha when machita was in his Mach was a lightning bolt man and he caught j a bunch of times but then there's the thing of getting caught by Leota Mach is not like getting caught by 255 PB Tom Aspen it's pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for like two eras essentially there's no one like him yeah like when I was like a fucking teenager watching UFC it was like leoto versus him you have like Mauricio Shogun fights and yeah he's 14 years at the top yeah 14 years and they're debating whether or not he's the pound-for-pound best fighter alive right now Islam makev currently holds that standing and I think that is voted amongst experts I think that's what it you know air quotes experts some of these guys don't know jack shit there's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life and that's a fact the the meme's pretty funny though where it's like every time Dana says Jon Jones is the best and they'll put it in front of like it'll be like I don't know some obscene scenario it'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something and then Dana way comes in he's like but Jon Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time um I I want to make sure that what I said was accurate like who does get to decide what the pound-for-pound list is I believe it's MMA journalists and experts now there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys and I don't want to say any names but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life and they love the sport and they cover it fairly and they're very knowledgeable and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things but how much do you really know ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members see that's a problem media members were asked to vote on who they feel the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound-for-pound a fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC now this is not to disparage any of these media people like I said I love them I'm friends with a lot of them they're great guys they there's no way you absolutely understand someone's ability especially when you're talking about pound-for-pound unless you've done martial arts I just don't think I can see like when John threw that kick I see that kick and I go that was beautiful that was beautiful because I know how it kicks I know what's supposed to happen you're just guessing you're guessing on what supp you never done that on somebody if you've never done that you don't know how beautiful that is you don't really get it you kind of get it but you get it the way I get flying a plane I never Flow a plane I I kind of see they pulled the lever that guy did a great job flying that plane look how he landed perfect I don't know what's really going on you know but when it comes to martial arts I know it's really going on you know and when you look at a guy like Jon Jones I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument because I the way I like to look at it I say who had the highest expression of martial arts Excellence during their Prime like what I don't mean the entire career I don't mean now I mean when they were hot like when Anderson Silva was hot how good was that was that better than anything that ever existed CU I think it might have been and that's what I look at when I look at like pound-for-pound best so the argument is Jon Jones has had some really close fights he's had like Split Decision fights that he won he had a lot of people thought that you know some of his fights could like the Dominic Reyes fight yeah dude that was close could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes easily and I would not have been mad at that yeah and you know I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight but there's those 10 nine rounds they like I don't know you could say 109 John or 109 Dominic and either way you've lost the title or you've won the title back you know like it's it's real weird makev is so fucking good he's so fucking good that he head kicked Alexander volkanovski in the rematch he submits everybody submitted Dustin porier he's a fucking monster when he gets guys on the ground he just crushes them and you could argue that he's dealing with uh a deeper talent pool so his weight class is in my opinion the most talent-rich weight pool in the sport 155 PBS 155 PBS is filled with assassins 205 lbs is not 265 is definitely not mm it's the giant difference so been a while since those divisions were like really heated with depth like back which on light heavy especially they used to be like the fucking division to watch imagine though if periro was coming up when Jon Jones was the champion that would be exciting that would be exciting Pereira is a different cat man he's a did you hear hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight uh after uh he fought um khil rry Mark Goddard came up to me goes mate the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly he goes I've been doing this for 20 years he goes the sound he makes is just different it's ungodly he just kept saying that he he wanted to make a point to say this to me he came up to me like immediately when I got into the Octagon he's like the sound is ungodly his power is so different it's so do you know like Francis hit that punch pad and he got like 127 or whatever Pereira got 190 oh yeah that like 190 yeah CRA you know how crazy that is with a kick the highest I got was like 157 some guy got like 190 with a kick we're pretty impressive I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick some Muay Thai Guy Pereira did 190 with a punch with a Punch Yeah and it was after training he just Wallops this fucking thing and they come out of nowhere like there's not really a call there's no call yeah there's no tell and he does doesn't have to hit you full power because he has so much power like those leg kicks that he fucks everybody with there's no turn of the hips at all he's just slapping you with and all a sudden you can't walk well and then he's like marching you down and it just takes one shot his power is so crazy different than anybody else's because everybody gets hit on the chin but when you get hit on the chin by that guy it's like you can't get hit you get hit it's like everything is just like you're like what the fuck you can see in their face yeah remember the first time I was here we were talking about how this guy Pereira is the only one who's ever beat at of San diead and he seems like this fucking assassin we were like oh that's you know interesting timeline didn't know it would transpire into like this degree of success where not only does he beat him but then he like switches divisions fucking smokes that division too it's crazy yeah dominated two divisions and the only reason why he didn't stay at light heavyweight or middleweight rather he's literally killing himself to get to 185 yeah and I think that likely contributed to the too like Adis you landed a perfect right hand that right hand is going to fuck him up every day of the week no matter what you weigh it's just perfect and the timing the way he did it like leaning up against the cage and just looked for the opening and just caught him coming in bang dropped him hit him with the left hook put the arrows into him when he's down that KO was perfect but you got to wonder like how much of his inability like you went completely unconscious how much of that is because of the drain the dehydration because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue yeah so like they some impact for sure yeah Fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch they talk about it like openly like I I took punches better when I went up to 55 like uh a good example is aloa oloa was like notorious for kind of like folding at 45 he goes up to 55 and he becomes Unstoppable H yeah no it's uh I'm I'm surprised he ever sucked down to that to begin with it's pretty fucking he's so big that he was getting making 185 and then fighting at 226 that's even more aggressive than the Costa Cuts I think yes yeah yeah it's he's I think he's got the most aggre he had the most aggressive weight cut now it's pretty marginal now I think he gets into the low 220s like 222 20 and then you know he cuts 15 not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle dude Costa needs to go back to brawling he he used to be so exciting and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time and then I don't know it just doesn't seem to be working out it's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned yeah cuz that's the thing how you think he's like psychologically just like I don't think he's the same guy like that's the guy who walked down yoel Romero and we're like oh my God yel Romero met a bigger freak than him CU regardless of whether or not you think cost is Juicy that guy's got extraordinary genetics you know I mean that's why he's such a beautiful man perfect features like incredible frame frame is incredible and whether or not he's juicy the the reality is the guy has insane genetics and he was a fucking Warrior especially in that yoel Romero fight yoel's terrifying to everybody and Costa just walked him down and beat his ass and that was not a close fight it was primarily a standup fight which is where yoel's the most scary and Costa was in no danger he beat the shit out of yoel Romero but then he fought a guy was just way more slick and AD aagna just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond he just he was making he was what he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as adna but that strategy adna was easily exploiting and he was like exploiting with distance and with faints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round he was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me and when he would touch Izzy Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he blocked the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance and it was just he was too good that's izy he in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain and at that moment he Fel he fought the best Israelite of Sonna that's ever been and that's like we were talking about like how good does a guy compete in that one that this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just in his prime I think that was what it was that was Izzy in his prime which is one of the greatest fighters of all time against Paulo Costa who just didn't have the answers to that and once you've been bested like that and a guy dry humps you when you're down he beats your ass tko's you and then humps you you just like I thought I was the man yeah so then he has all these doubts and then he goes into these the next fights he he missed weight for one fight and fought at 205 remember when he fought um who the fuck did he fight uh God damn it Marvin vtori he fought Marvin vtori and they were supposed to be fighting 185 and they fought it like 205 and he still looked like he was out of shape he looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight yeah I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you like go from Top Rank to I think he's lost like three in a row it's crazy I'd like to see him get back into form but I don't know if he can anymore you know I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy did you watch cji uh what is that the Craig Jones invitation oh yeah I was thinking what does CGI stand for um yeah yeah I watch it yeah I watched it yeah what do you think well I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money I think that's awesome yeah I it's kind of crazy they decided to compete against Abu Dhabi on the same weekend I thought that was kind of nuts but I guess if you want to be controversial and Craig is certainly controversial and you want to get a lot of attention it got a lot of attention and then of course the money I mean he came into the studio $3 million in cash was it three yeah wasn't it one it was 1 million oh was 1 million okay but he even that he gave but they gave out $3 billion right so the three three different divisions got a million dollars so he brought in a million dollars in a duffel bag which I've I've never seen that before you seen a it's crazy to look at no yeah it's uh not easy to get you know it's fun Craig's fun he's a funny guy he's fucking hilarious he's the most hilarious guy in Jiu-Jitsu yeah he's like really silly he's very self-deprecating and he's super skillful I mean his Jiu-Jitsu is like second best in the world like he always talks about let's he named his team the be team he's not going to beat Gordon you know Gordon is a freak and Gordon is like a real psychopath like Gordon trains every day of the week Gordon versus Niki Rod who wins Gordon no question yeah Gordon's better he's just better Nicki Rod might get to Gordon's level one day m i mean but if they're not training together I don't know if he will you know I don't know if he's training with look he's beat him every time they faced him yeah and Nikki did catch him in a foot lock but Gordon's like go break my foot I'm still going to win yeah and he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi and when they had their second match you know Gordon was alleging he was greasy like it was difficult to get a hold of and that's been something that people have said about Nikki before but it might be eat oily food I don't know yeah I don't know I don't know what's going on but I know guys did that I know guys would take baths this was in the early days like the days they would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil so they would lay in this bathtub with water and like fucking gallons of like P Diddy style P Diddy style fucking like just supplies of baby oil in that water and they'd bathe in it then they would wash themselves off dry themselves off and then to the touch their skin would not feel like oil at all until they started sweating and then when they started sweating they would be like a fist just you just couldn't grab them oh my God yeah that was the thing that it was alleged that certain Strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought and guys just could not get a hold of them they would just be so slippery you you couldn't take them down if you take them down you couldn't hold them down it's like just slip right out of your hands like a bar soap and how would you avoid do they screen for that somehow in the UFC or like how's that work the problem is what I'm saying that you could oil your skin up and then wash it and it would still be in your pores and you wouldn't even be able to detect as long as you were dry they would rub you with like a cloth or something like nope there's nothing on his skin like what do they unless they have like baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out this person put baby oil on so are you never allowed to put baby oil on or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight like when when are we going to say no baby oil ever for a person what if they like baby oil what if they like the you know what if they like cocoa butter what what do you so it's weird yeah it's weird and so the the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rashu guards and spats that's the solution and that's what they should do so the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings leggings and tights simple yeah remember that was like a bit of a controversy at least in early UFC it was like oh yeah yeah I know guys greased I 100% I can tell you 100% guys greased even like between rounds though too I know one guy who didn't just grease he put Vic's vapo rub all over his chest Jesus and then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest so you'd be getting sweat and Vick's Vapor Rub in your eyes and he' be kneeing you in the face that's fucking crazy dude crazy yeah well when they weren't testing for things dudes did a lot of dirty shit yeah I heard another story I can't substantiate I will say no names but a guy allegedly gave blood to make weight so he not didn't give blood but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body had probably you know resupplied itself with a significant amount of it depending on how much time it is between the fact they withraw the blood I don't know how long how much time but you could think about like how much weight blood is yeah and if you can get like you know how much can you take while you're still conscious I don't know but you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body re fill and rep proliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood totally undetectable and you made weight with blood cutting yeah and that's like another micro do Vector that people use still to this dayus blood transfusions well that's me there's probably multiple factors why you're not allowed to get IVs and that might be one of you know yeah but it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess or they assess for like Plastics in in your bloodstream which you can get around just by storage technique right um Plastics in your bloodstream would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to like a bag some people are like freezing as opposed to just like storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in it can all make a difference in terms of freezing it yeah you can freeze your blood and then put it back in yeah whoa yeah like thot obviously but how weird is that super weird how long is your blood good for that's a good question but I would imagine longer if you're freezing it Jesus Christ the things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage yeah but it works man like that's yeah yeah yeah and it's like at least of the doping methods like one of the least easy to detect cuz there's no like substance that is stimulating anything it's just your own blood that was supposed to be there right so the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV yeah well it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see a unusual elevation of hemoglobin hematocrit probably around an event and you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticul sites which are like immature red blood cells cuz if your body has SAR to testosterone if you administer it you stop producing natural so if you put in exogenous blood you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate Supply right so you would have a disproportionate ratio between like blood cells oxygen carrying capacity markers and immature blood cells and it's like why is this differential so significant all of a sudden and it might flag in a typical finding and get further scrutiny and yeah with blood transfusions cuz there's no way to really prove anything often times penalizations occur based on like it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it like how would they detect that like I think it's just such an aberant finding that's different from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated oh right for so the biological passport yeah because it's like with other compounds like testosterone you need to have like conf confirmation via isotope ratio Mass whatever with blood it's like what did you do like there's no compound to prove was or wasn't there it's just like the blood but it is illegal right so you'd have to have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut or significant other who is a nurse or a of different things right yeah right right right and some of the stuff isn't like hard to really learn either like it's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take like some people do uh photomy as like a low barrier to entry high-paying job so like being somebody who takes blood is like I there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do it and it pays well per hour yeah and if you had a family member who's a FLOTUS and they could hook that up yeah yeah yeah what are the other different ways that they can get it like how Rock Solid is like the let's forget about drug sport what what they have now but the usada protocol call that they were using before how what are the best ways to get around that um well because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH how like what percentage were they testing for it um you'd probably have to ask Hunter to confirm but my understanding was like best case scenario you were getting EPO tested if somebody like reported you as like you know there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater and is this a finance thing is this a uh I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and cuz it some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude is like you know just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine you have to actually like manually do work to like combust down and assess the ratio and there's like Nuance in interpreting this stuff too because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of it if it looks weird right so you have to like bring in multiple opinions to of experts who then kind of come to a Consolidated answer on did you cheat or not wow wow and it gets pretty complicated so doing this at scale on a sport that has no offseason with people globally competing like pretty fucking costly for sure to do properly well the MMA conspiracy theorists they always point to like people doing their camps in like far away lands like what a good way to cheat you know cuz if you want to do a camp in dagistan like how many times is you saw to going to dagistan yeah and what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes yeah imagine telling those guys wake up at 6 o' in the morning yeah they'll feed you to their goats like what are you talking about fuck you come back tomorrow yeah fuck you yeah no it's uh also they probably know when you're there they probably got that town wired there's absolutely logistical problems that lead to lower barriers for certain people yeah yeah yeah like do you camp in Thailand son yeah for sure you got to wonder like I would like to see like what are what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand how often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa and even like the rigger of the person who's hired to do the testing because it's like how you know scrutinous is whoever you're Outsourcing you're hiring in that area to like you know they could be like a local who is is you know like pledged allegiance to that fucking you know whatever so I don't know man it's it's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it I think but at least the UFC developments as of recent they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio Mass Spec and actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the micro doing and the things that are very difficult to detect stuff is still going to squeeze through for sure but it's going to be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them it used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that you know they would figure out ways around dude that is a a growing profession is it oh yeah yeah there's like so many pharmacology nerds who are like like I've even been asked to help people in the Olympics before really yeah wow because you're a pharmacological nerd yeah exactly and so these these people ask you to cheat for them uh to help them cheat yeah which is also a criminal offense my understanding due to there's actually a law now it's like the rod chankov act or something oh wow so if you like help somebody you're also doing a crime ooh wow yeah oh so you know obviously not worth doing for me I never did it but well especially something like the Olympics like there's not there's no money in it you're not making any money that's which is crazy yeah crazy it's like pure pride and for winning a medal it's pure exploitation that's what it is because it's not like there's no money like why are you making all the money well these people are noble they don't want to get paid like no you're just not paying them they don't even know how much money there was because in 1936 there was no money right there was no sponsors there's no nothing yeah I remember there was no TV yeah let's see okay the Bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major International Sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method a violator is subject to criminal penalties a fine prison term of up to 10 years or both and mandatory restitution huh yeah interesting so yeah there's definitely and when you hear about stuff like this too it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor what are people doing that I'm not and curiosity strikes what do you think is the answer what's like like the non- ideological when you look at it objectively say you know what what we should be doing is doing everything that works or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be 100% natural no if hands or butts and there's no cheating that's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like oh we're going to have you know medical assessments that Ensure safety and blah blah blah but it's like if you're going full board it's impossible to be healthy and safe yeah so like as much as you could argue it's probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating the alternative is not necessarily like far superior in terms of health because if I'm allowed to use a gram of test you know like I'm not going to stop at 200 migs you know like I'm going to go full full fucking sauce to the tits so yeah if you can get a physiological benefit of being on Trend and just fucking completely roed out of your mind yeah become like a fucking dope energic psycho and just like you know you will absolutely take that risk regardless of what it does to you yeah especially if you're trying to win right if people were willing to cheat when it's really dangerous you could lose the medal you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to but they would like you to take like a sustain aable do and you're like fuck you with your sustainable I'm trying to be number one bitch yeah give me all I I love the idea of the enhanced games by the way but it's like so at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guard rails and then alternatively if there are guard rails now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do and like you know are you going into to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where look like they're half out of your system versus before like it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced right right right so and I'm sure they're very well spoken eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff and I'm sure have answers to that or you know have some idea of what they're going to do but like those would be my questions as to and I'm not saying it needs to be safe right you know it might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical warfare games right yeah which there's nothing wrong with that if you're going to expose yourself to that risk people do that in bodybuilding all the time that's like literally what bodybuilding is yeah yeah that's what's crazy right bodybuilding is huge sport is not possible without illegal drugs and there's no rodjeno act for bodybuilding either so there's like literal the the guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding well how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal uh well I mean like obviously you're going to jail if if I'm a if I'm a guy who's arresting people around steroid I go to Mr Olympia I'm like you're all in jail yeah you'd think if you wanted to just like hit your quota for the year you just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like all of you get the fucking car get in the Patty wagon yeah I I don't know man that's uh how'd you get it when it comes to possession in the states and like how scrutinous they are on anabolics I think it's mostly if you're importing Mass amounts they will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point okay so if it's like personal amounts typically you would buy it domestically to not like red flag yourself because I think in in the mail you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic so if you are buying from you know the other side of the country no one would know that you were sent anything it's only if you're buying like growth hormone from China or something oh and you you get flagged and you have enough kits that happen to get flagged in customs and they keep a note on your record of this guy might be doing something so he might be a steroid deal and then they'll have sting operations and try and figure out who's actually Distributing cuz they have resource allocation bandwidth problems too so they have to go after the big fish right so do guys go to Mexico and bring him across the border not anymore no they used to no oh yeah back in the day yeah people like smuggle it up their ass to get here Jesus Christ imagine taking Tren that was in a guy's asshole yeah Dan Bilzerian used to he talked about how when he was in uh uh buds he would like go with buddies to get gear from Mexico and then they smuggle it up their asses back into the US J Christ what if the bottle broke fucking yikes butthole glass Cuts buddy I watched that in a video it's called one guy one cup oh yeah you ever seen that one no back in a lively I saw the OG variant of that and never I can't watch another one one guy one cup is way more horrifying this guy sticks a mason jar up his asshole and it breaks I think it's a mason jar some kind of a jar up his asshole and it breaks and it's just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squat it's horrible but I watched it multiple times God damn there's a lot of crazy people in this world yeah do you think that I I I'm of the opinion let me just say what I think I think that most substances should be legal and I think people should be able to figure out what's good and what's bad there's a lot of things that are legal Aderall is legal I don't take Aderall you know I'm 99% sure sure I have ADHD I don't even know what it is I don't even know if it's real I think it's probably a superpower but if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing I'm I'm all over the place they'd probably give me some and then I would have legal stimulants I don't think it's probably think it's not good for you so I don't take it but I could right why is that legal and cocaine's not like why is this legal and that's not why is whiskey legal and marijuana's not well this doesn't make any sense to me why is Xanax legal psilocybin not like what are we doing who gets to decide Like You could argue that well that's the reason why clinical trials exist which assess you know safety profiles of these drugs and they wouldn't make it through otherwise but like obviously we've seen that that's not once you get financial interest involved it's kind of hard to overl that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made it through didn't make it through so you know like I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first it's tough though because it's like if you have a guy who's like I don't know Manic and he has access to like meth and like phag grade meth at that or something yeah which it actually exists too oh yeah and you end up with like a Hitler or something yeah yeah yeah the the trend thing is that the worst one psychologically from anabolic steroids I would say probably that and then maybe secondary you know some people could argue Halo testin is is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit Vander Holyfield's ear off yeah and it makes you like fucking shortterm acutely extremely angry what how did you hear that he was using that I don't remember exactly I think it was like uh he didn't test positive for it I think it was just like highly rum like a very prevalent rumor but I for they probably didn't test for it though either right no it was back then it was really easy to get around like oral steroid detections back then as well if they were even testing for it um I don't even know if they were testing back then yeah the Tren is uh the worst offender for your psychological State not just because the drug is bad but it also like ruins your sleep so you get like Trend cough I mentioned but Tren sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause like hot flash uh sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched Jesus and it like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well which is no good cuz even though you're this jacked sometimes confident guy other times you're like you're unreasonably insecure and you like a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on Trend really yeah and they end up becoming uh you know oddly behaving sexual deviancy is also a very uh common I've heard of that yeah yeah on Tren and it's thought to be the pro G genic activity because it's derived from nandrolone which is a progesterone receptor Agonist as well and progesterone is thought to be very implicated in gay sexual Tendencies as you grow up if you had heightened exposure to Progesterone and utero and highly dopaminergic drug as well which in excess can cause like really weird sexual deviancy as well um and yeah it's like really fucking potent and good at what it does it builds lean mass and it's like really dry compound doesn't make you watery also has a unique anti-catabolic effect so you don't in a deficit you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting and yeah so it's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree more or less but this drug is like uniquely potent in its anti-catabolic action to where you could be like extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle wow and because it's so good at making you extremely strong too without an excess of body weight it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase that is like humongous wow yeah so it was one of the drugs that was used in The Duchess cocktail which is what Rod chanov would have his athletes swish around in their mouth oh really yeah and it was absorbed uh buul so it would like get it was almost like the equivalent of Iving the drug right into your bloodstream you would swish it around your mouth and this alcohol and it would absorb buul into the bloodstream immediately so you wouldn't have to actually have it go into your stomach and then get processed through a first past metabolism so you could get in and out of your system way faster wow yeah wow so why is that one good for Fighters uh I would think that like getting psych emotional though yeah you could argue that the emotional instability is not good yeah but makes you very aggressive um the psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience and some people it's not everyone who becomes Paranoid on it it's highly individual dependent some people you will often hear people say oh people overblow the side effects of trend it's not that bad and then other people who will say it ruin their life so it's highly individual dependent like any drug but it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well there's another factor that comes with steroid users and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids yeah because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore they get real weirded out yeah and they want to get back on again I've seen that oh yeah dude it's uh the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity too cuz it's it's like a ultimately steroid use often stems from like body image insecurity so if you achieve you know the outcome you sought with this thing to think that you're going to be you know a confident person after you've lost the 30 40 pounds lean that you gained right like you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with except Dorian Yates oh yeah but that guy he's a unique cat he lost all the way looks like a normal athlete now yeah he healthy yeah he he had me on his podcast uh this year and he said uh anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster he says they're more upset about it than I am he has a unique perspective on it which is uh really cool to see he's very intelligent yeah yeah very calm and you know just the way he approaches things but God damn dude when that guy was getting after it he was he was one of the original freaks where one of the first guys we just like what like that's what they're pushing it to now yeah he left Humanity behind so big dude he was so big he was ridiculous if you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier oh night and day yeah you could argue he was like the Catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle you need to be competitive I mean he was so big he blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep yeah yeah yeah with like a hole in his arm yeah that's that's fucked up when you get that big and you have to like worry about exploding your fucking muscle every workout cuz you're so strong and that's what you need to lift to get the stimulus like that's crazy stuff well Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that like that guy is all fucked up now yeah yeah it makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and like higher reps less weight yeah cuz literature now suggests that you don't need to necessarily train like that look at the difference between the two of them Arnold on the left and Dorian on the right dorian's twice his size yeah it's fucking back dude that's crazy that back isn't not that Arnold isn't insane he was fuck pretty insane I actually think Arnold looks better yeah he's more aesthetic for sure oh look at his back look at Dorian y's back and look at Ronnie Coleman's back yeah jeez his guys were huge Ronnie Coleman was crazy but Dorian was like weirdly thick like look how thick his fucking muscles are man it's just not first of all judging guys that are that big good luck I don't get it they all look awesome they all look crazy dude it's even harder judging a bikini show so there's different classes at the Olympia including women's bikini and there's like a few poses they'll pull up a comparison of the women's Olympia for bikini what is the bikini versus regular Olympia well it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category what's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding oh this isn't bodybuilding well it's like a form of bodybuilding but it's not the actual category right this is women who still look feminine so like right put it this way with men there's different categories there's Open men's bodybuilding classic physique and men's physique and each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive and women similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini Wellness something else and then bodybuilding is the one where you can you pretty much need to be on like male level steroids to be competitive and this is a reality of female bodybuilding that a lot of female bodybuilders look I know female Jiu-Jitsu competitors that take steroids which is it's crazy there's not even any money in that you're juicing yourself up but if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman like what do they take well for bikini you might be able to do it naturally Al but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something but it's not like masculinizing there's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over the counter or like super micro doed amounts of anabolics that don't cause masculinization but above that the thresholds for categories above that are like if you go to women's bodybuilding like it looks like you remember it where it's you know dudes with wigs on basically almost yeah I mean they they're trans men basically basically yeah like like based on their hormone profile they are more male than you and I probably whoa God look at that lady that's crazy is she Miss Olympia so she number one that's women's physique too that's not women's bodybuilding what yeah so this is like a different category that's less muscle than bodybuilding so what's women's bodybuilding that lady probably who's Miss Olympia do they still have women's bodybuilding I think they do yeah that might be it look at that lady down the lower left hand jeez those ladies are huge oh my goodness that's got to be it those are dudes that's a dude's body like sizewise yeah not saying you're a dude ladies don't hurt me yeah by the way to you know more power to anybody who wants to do whatever they want it's just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are masculinizing and you can blame Biden for that wow yeah cuz he stopped the development of them and by now we probably have non masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude oh my God have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada dude I would love to I've considered it but there is weird stuff around like unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there really yeah so like I could physically be present in the states and live here maybe for six months of a year but to like get out of the system fully you got to like pay the piper on every company you've ever built even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it there's gains that were made in Canada of the value of it that you have to pay on it's like how do you pay for it I don't have any fucking cash because I didn't sell the company so they make it very difficult to leave the country yeah yeah and maybe that changes with Pierre I don't know but like one of the main problems with the economy is there's no incentive for business owners that are doing well to stay like everything is structured around how do I get around this fucking system not how do I stay here so like I know personally every friend I have successful has either already left or has tried to find a way to leave Jesus actually I know one person who hasn't but he's like really entrenched in the system and like it would be impossible to one at this point so I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or like it's a beautiful place to live in British Columbia for example but like yeah it's fucking cost of living is obscene and the tax saw that there some kids were doing a Tik Tok with food at a Canadian Supermarket like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was oh the dollar too is horrible it's like a dollar every dollar in US currency equates to 140 Canadian W yeah so your dollar goes Super super far in Canada and then 40 Jesus and then to buy like I don't know a shitt a shitty Shack fucking house that's not even a house in Vancouver it's like millions of dollars yeah nuts yeah yeah I I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by like New York maybe wow yeah it's like one of the Forest offenders on the planet for cost of a home so basically back in the day our parents one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and build equity in it and eventually you'd have a you know something that accured in so much value from since you got it that like that's your main nest egg or whatever yeah nowadays it's it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on like a place that's not even nice so you have like families staying in like 500 square foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything else it says impossibly unaffordable housing report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world yeah Hong Kong and Sydney the only two wow Sydney that's interesting huh I would have never suspected Sydney Australia to be that expensive that's nuts yeah listen brother anything else you want to talk about before we bail out of here think it was a good one yeah yeah lot of fun yeah thanks for having me man I appreciate you as always miss Miss Olympia Wellness we missed out on what's that a focus on the lower body what oh butts yeah top half doesn't matter oh yeah so I was going to say top half doesn't matter for real shut the fuck up why are they stand in Face Forward glutes and hips let's see them glutes it definitely M matters but not as much as it's not focus I should say yeah so anyway watching the posing you you were saying it's hard to judge men's bodybuilding with women it's at least with the bikini category especially their hair is really long and they have extensions too to make it look even longer so when they turn around basically the only thing you can judge is like ass down essentially cuz their whole back is covered by hair oh that's weird yeah so it's like a pageant for your butt I'm all in no I could by the way like any bikini competitor is probably fucking furious with that statement there's Absolut they're on Trend they're going to get angry probably not but like they're judged on other things but that's a the main factor basically okay all right man well been a lot of fun uh more PL more plates more dates uh on YouTube uh what is uh your website yeah more plates more dates.com and anything else no that's all right my place brother I good to see you all right bye everybody

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